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Thanks for tracking this down. Phew indeed! Some of the "other title information" I was referring to can fill up most of the title page!

Vanessa Freedman
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-----Original Message-----
From: C.J. Carty [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.J. Carty
Sent: 25 October 2012 12:35
To: Freedman, Vanessa
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion

Ah, wait, 2.3.4.3 says to record other title info following instructions in 2.3.1. If you go there you'll see that in 2.3.1.4 there *is* an optional omissions for abridging so I would say this also applies to other title info.

Phew!

On Oct 25 2012, Freedman, Vanessa wrote:

> This is relevant for some older Hebrew books, where the title page can 
> often be a kind of blurb - AACR2 gives you the option to abridge 
> lengthy other title information, but I can't see this in RDA - though 
> I may be missing it.
>
>Vanessa
>
>Vanessa Freedman
>Hebrew & Jewish Studies Librarian
>UCL Library Services
>University College London
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>London WC1E 6BT
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> -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette Mary 
> O'Reilly
> Sent: 25 October 2012 12:17 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 
> [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion
>
> I don't feel too happy about putting a lot of weight on that example. 
> I'm not sure why the phrase was taken to be OTI rather than an edition 
> statement - perhaps something to do with the layout?
>
> The statement in Example 8 is verging on blurb/advertising. Since it 
> contained edition information I just extracted that. Otherwise I would 
> have seriously considered treating it as a quoted note rather than as 
> any kind of title information. I don't have very strong feelings in 
> this case, but I'm sure we will come across examples where there are 
> much, much longer and more blurbish statements between the title 
> proper and the statement of responsibility and I would be very 
> reluctant to treat them as title information.
>
>Best wishes,
>Bernadette
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> -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 
> October 2012 12:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
> [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion
>
>Edition statement:
>
> RDA 2.5.2.6 has an example (4th one down) which I used as the 
> rationale behind this one. "If edition statement is integral to other 
> title information, record it as such and do not record a further 
> designation of edition".
>
> The 4th example says "a revised and augmented edition of...", so I 
> took that. However, I then can't include 'fully revised and updated' 
> as I'm not allowed to include another edition statement.
>
> BUT I object to treating this as a subtitle!! Feels wrong on so many 
> levels!
>
>HelenD.
>
>Helen Doyle
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>>>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:59 am >>>
>Hi Helen
>
> I was very unsure about your first point too. In the end I didn't put 
> it as a subtitle, because I'd effectively recorded the same 
> information in the designation of edition, and in note on title... But 
> I wasn't convinced that was correct.
>
>Helen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 
> October 2012 11:54 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
> [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8
>
>No. 8.
>
> Issues: 1) is that edition statement a subtitle?? (I have lots of 
> notes going back-and-forth on this!) 2) I went with previous editions 
> being related expressions - ?
>
>HelenD.
>
>
>
>Helen Doyle
>Assistant Librarian
> 
>Royal Academy of Dance
>36 Battersea Square
>London
>SW11 3RA
>0207 326 8032
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>
>>>> Wendy Taylor <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:50 am >>>
>Wendy (RNIB)
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