There is an option to abridge titles at 2.3.1.4, and other title information isn't core so you could in principle omit the lot. LC don't give OTI of collective titles if part information follows. Presumably if you decided to omit this as (possibly) OTI you would then be free to enter the relevant bits as edition designation. Best wishes, Bernadette ******************* Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian 01865 2-77134 Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. ******************* -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Freedman, Vanessa Sent: 25 October 2012 12:28 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion This is relevant for some older Hebrew books, where the title page can often be a kind of blurb - AACR2 gives you the option to abridge lengthy other title information, but I can't see this in RDA - though I may be missing it. Vanessa Vanessa Freedman Hebrew & Jewish Studies Librarian UCL Library Services University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT Tel: +44 (0) 20 7679 2598 (Internal ext. 32598) Fax: +44 (0) 20 7679 7373 E-mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.ucl.ac.uk/library **Please remember the environment and only print this if necessary** -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette Mary O'Reilly Sent: 25 October 2012 12:17 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion I don't feel too happy about putting a lot of weight on that example. I'm not sure why the phrase was taken to be OTI rather than an edition statement - perhaps something to do with the layout? The statement in Example 8 is verging on blurb/advertising. Since it contained edition information I just extracted that. Otherwise I would have seriously considered treating it as a quoted note rather than as any kind of title information. I don't have very strong feelings in this case, but I'm sure we will come across examples where there are much, much longer and more blurbish statements between the title proper and the statement of responsibility and I would be very reluctant to treat them as title information. Best wishes, Bernadette ******************* Bernadette O'Reilly Catalogue Support Librarian 01865 2-77134 Bodleian Libraries, Osney One Building Osney Mead Oxford OX2 0EW. ******************* -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 October 2012 12:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion Edition statement: RDA 2.5.2.6 has an example (4th one down) which I used as the rationale behind this one. "If edition statement is integral to other title information, record it as such and do not record a further designation of edition". The 4th example says "a revised and augmented edition of...", so I took that. However, I then can't include 'fully revised and updated' as I'm not allowed to include another edition statement. BUT I object to treating this as a subtitle!! Feels wrong on so many levels! HelenD. Helen Doyle Assistant Librarian Royal Academy of Dance 36 Battersea Square London SW11 3RA 0207 326 8032 >>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:59 am >>> Hi Helen I was very unsure about your first point too. In the end I didn't put it as a subtitle, because I'd effectively recorded the same information in the designation of edition, and in note on title... But I wasn't convinced that was correct. Helen -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle Sent: 25 October 2012 11:54 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 No. 8. Issues: 1) is that edition statement a subtitle?? (I have lots of notes going back-and-forth on this!) 2) I went with previous editions being related expressions - ? HelenD. Helen Doyle Assistant Librarian Royal Academy of Dance 36 Battersea Square London SW11 3RA 0207 326 8032 >>> Wendy Taylor <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:50 am >>> Wendy (RNIB) Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://lse.ac.uk/emailDisclaimer