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This is relevant for some older Hebrew books, where the title page can often be a kind of blurb - AACR2 gives you the option to abridge lengthy other title information, but I can't see this in RDA - though I may be missing it.

Vanessa

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-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette Mary O'Reilly
Sent: 25 October 2012 12:17
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion

I don't feel too happy about putting a lot of weight on that example.
I'm not sure why the phrase was taken to be OTI rather than an edition statement - perhaps something to do with the layout?

The statement in Example 8 is verging on blurb/advertising.  Since it contained edition information I just extracted that.  Otherwise I would have seriously considered treating it as a quoted note rather than as any kind of title information.  I don't have very strong feelings in this case, but I'm sure we will come across examples where there are much, much longer and more blurbish statements between the title proper and the statement of responsibility and I would be very reluctant to treat them as title information.

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Bernadette

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-----Original Message-----
From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Doyle
Sent: 25 October 2012 12:04
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8 - discussion

Edition statement:

RDA 2.5.2.6 has an example (4th one down) which I used as the rationale behind this one. 
"If edition statement is integral to other title information, record it as such and do not record a further designation of edition".

The 4th example says "a revised and augmented edition of...", so I took that. However, I then can't include 'fully revised and updated' as I'm not allowed to include another edition statement.

BUT I object to treating this as a subtitle!! Feels wrong on so many levels!

HelenD.

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>>> Helen Williams <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:59 am >>>
Hi Helen

I was very unsure about your first point too. In the end I didn't put it as a subtitle, because I'd effectively recorded the same information in the designation of edition, and in note on title...
But I wasn't convinced that was correct. 

Helen 



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 25 October 2012 11:54
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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 8

No. 8.

Issues:
1) is that edition statement a subtitle?? (I have lots of notes going back-and-forth on this!)
2) I went with previous editions being related expressions - ?

HelenD.



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>>> Wendy Taylor <[log in to unmask]> 10/25/2012 11:50 am >>>
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