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Interesting problem! Could testing of control samples of similar rocks with various paints added provide proxies for paint signatures? Perhaps not or possibly use microscopy on samples then compare to known paint compositions.


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Subject: Re: Chemical Removal of ink and paint

unfortunately not, ICP requires 3g of material to run and the marker pens present the problem theres no way of telling if the same inks used the same chemicals etc. The same colour could be from several different pens and impossible to differentiate their signatures inside the bulk chemistry.
 

Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:27:18 +0100
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Or could you run a sample of the paint through the ICP machine and adjust the calibration/results accordingly?

On 18 May 2012 11:00, Monaghan, Nigel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Sounds like physical removal may be the only option unfortunately.

 

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Most pens and paints of this fashion gain their fluorescence from heavy metals. If i was to run them in the ICP machines with these metals present, it would yield false heavy metal trends and throw off the chemostratigraphy. The final thesis will also be inference of the ancient ocean chemistry where the non-carbonate portion of these rocks will be extracted and analysed so any signature from the inks and paints could lead to incorrect conclusions.


 
Sam
 


Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:54:09 +0000
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Sam

 

Apart from being unsightly, why do these numbers and marks need to be removed at all? Your reasons are unclear to me.

 

With many markers used in dirty wet environments there is unlikely to be a simple solvent option as these are designed not to be soluble.

 

Nigel

 

 

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Hi all,

I’m currently working with a geological collection of outcrop plugs at the University of Greenwich, and the company that supplied them was kind enough to label each of the 4200 samples with indelible markers and fluorescent pens. Sanding and filing is not really an option with such a large number as it would set the project back months. there’s also some issues with the nature of the samples. They are plugs from a carbonate platform. Eventually these will be powdered and used in an ICP-OES and ICP MS machine as well as XRD. Unfortunately these plugs are very small and being carbonates require double weight to run in the machines so simply cutting off the affected areas is not an option and almost every surface has been scribbled or painted on.



I’m looking for a way to chemically remove these inks and paints WITHOUT altering the chemical composition of the rock, as the project is about determining how the chemical composition effects mineralisation and supports the sequence stratigraphy. I have tried acetone but this has had little success and was wondering if anyone from NATSCA, particularly conservators or those with a geological background has encountered similar problems and how they went about treating the issue?



Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Sam Kerney
PhD student
Greenwich University at Medway
School of Science
Chatham
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