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I agree, I think it would also be good, considering his comments, to have as part of this discussion something about 'the positionality' (sorry) of academics in the current HE environment Dr Sian Moore Principal Research Fellow in Work, Care and Global Transitions School of Sociology and Social Policy/Centre for Employment Relations Innovation and Change, Leeds University Business School 31 Lyddon Terrace (Room 1.04) University of Leeds LS2 9JT 0113 343 0204 (office) 07766021821 (mobile) ________________________________ From: Critical Labour Studies [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Philip Taylor [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 10 May 2012 11:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: critique Great idea. From: Critical Labour Studies [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Stuart Sent: 10 May 2012 11:34 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: critique WES is holding a one day special workshop at the British Library in the Autumn, to celebrate 25 years of the journal. We could maybe add an invited panel debate to the day. MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Taylor<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:43 AM Subject: Re: critique Agreed. ‘Sames’ as my 12 year old says. From: Critical Labour Studies [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hazel Conley Sent: 10 May 2012 09:45 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: critique I think this is a great idea. H. Dr. Hazel Conley Reader in HRM Centre for Research in Equality and Diversity School of Business and Management Queen Mary, University of London Mile End Road London E1 4NS "Promoting Equality and Diversity Through Economic Crisis" http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/pedec/index.html ________________________________ From: Critical Labour Studies on behalf of Peter Dwyer Sent: Thu 10/05/2012 9:32 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: critique Hi everyone, What about WES (and/or others) putting on a one day workshop we could get Chakrabortty to attend- that way he might help publicise it! The aim could be an initial exploratory workshop looking at how do we publicise our ideas more widely amongst, for want of a better word, civil society. This could result in either a series of regional events or one major event but we include non-academic groups to help us frame it’s terms of reference, style, content etc and help us to build it???? Peter Dr Peter Dwyer, Economics Tutor, Ruskin College, Walton Street, Oxford, OX1 2HE. 01865 759641 www.ruskin.ac.uk From: Critical Labour Studies [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hazel Conley Sent: 10 May 2012 09:27 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: critique Isn't the problem Martin was alluding to that the government, and clearly journalists, don't read WES? At the risk of using more of the jargon that is currently being used by university managers, don't we need to engage "the public"? H. Dr. Hazel Conley Reader in HRM Centre for Research in Equality and Diversity School of Business and Management Queen Mary, University of London Mile End Road London E1 4NS "Promoting Equality and Diversity Through Economic Crisis" http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/pedec/index.html ________________________________ From: Critical Labour Studies on behalf of Philip Taylor Sent: Wed 09/05/2012 11:57 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: critique I agree wth a lot of what Hazel says and will post tomorrow more fully on the theme. There is a wider failure IMO of sociologists to think through or work with Marxist inspired explanations of the crisis wherever they might be located. For POMOs the crisis is an incovenient meta-narrative that gets in the way of studying identity, the body etc. The 'can't we just get back to normal' world view also afflicts many would-be critical analysts. Attempting to explain the crisis by 'financialisation' is another related difficulty. And there are those who appear to be on the left who tell us that neo-liberalism is more ideology - workers falsely believe they are more insecure etc. I can vouch for what Mark says in defence of WES. As Editor of WES in late 2008 I encouraged Costas to submit a paper on the causes of the crisis which was eventually published. Other contributions from authors working in the area had been encouraged (some even before the crash) as we had anticipated a major crisis before the event as it were. There were good reasons why these did not come to fruition - largely in fact the failure or unwillingness of authors to submit revised versions. There is also an 'On the Front Line' piece by Vaughan Ellis centring on the experiences of a union activist in one of the crisis-hit UK financial services companies. ________________________________ From: Critical Labour Studies [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of mark stuart [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 09 May 2012 23:33 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: critique He was directed, through a number of sources, to last December's special issue of Work, Employment and Society that looked at this crisis. This included a few papers that considered the root causes of the crisis as well as the financial system. There was also an economist with a critical position on austerity. In other words, the stuff he is asking for. But he has chosen to ignore this. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange ________________________________ From: Hazel Conley <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sender: Critical Labour Studies <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:19:16 +0100 To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> ReplyTo: Hazel Conley <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: critique Perhaps this tells us more about what has happened to Sociology as an academic discipline since sociologists of work and employment have been purged from sociology departments and exiled into business schools where, I have to agree with Chakrabortty, we are beaten into further submission by the REF, NSS scores, student feedback and other performance management tools. Some of the best academic critique of the government's austerity programme that I have seen has come from the Women's Budget Group who have systematically picked apart each budget and spending review to reveal the unequal distribution of pain that really belies the 'we are all in this together' propaganda. This research clearly hasn't passed by Chakrabortty's radar. Perhaps we could start by pointing him to it but I agree we need to do more. Best, Hazel Dr. Hazel Conley Reader in HRM Centre for Research in Equality and Diversity School of Business and Management Queen Mary, University of London Mile End Road London E1 4NS "Promoting Equality and Diversity Through Economic Crisis" http://www.geog.qmul.ac.uk/pedec/index.html ________________________________ From: Critical Labour Studies on behalf of Martin Upchurch Sent: Wed 09/05/2012 10:48 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: critique So what can we do to respond to Aditya Chakrabortty? Do we need to write more for the non-academic milieu, in newspapers, blogs etc? Or is it the case that we should combine our academic activities with activism in the political arena? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/07/academics-cant-answer-criticism-analysis Martin Upchurch Professor of International Employment Relations Middlesex University Business School The Burroughs Hendon London NW4 4BT 07545 487952 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Global Work and Employment Project (GWEp) http://www.mdx.ac.uk/research/areas/HR/gwep/index.aspx Globalisation and Work Facebook Group http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#/group.php?gid=238371095227&ref=ts Beyond Labour Regulation blog http://www.globalworkonline.net/blog/beyondlabour/