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For the first three years of my PhD I was funded by the STFC who state in their studentship rules and regulations: "STFC encourages students to undertake a modest amount of work on "outreach" or promotion of science activity. Examples might include helping local science teachers, giving an interview with a journalist, working at a science event, or taking a short media training course. There is a specific opportunity with the Pupil Researcher Initiative." So I never really felt like I should be paid for helping at public engagement events etc because I was doing them in "office time", so to speak, and was already being "paid" via my studentship. Of course, petrol costs and a free meal were always welcomed! Jen On 04/27/2012 02:52 PM, Kat Arney wrote: > > I did say it was based on my own experiences as a stressed, low-paid > student a decade ago! I did a lot of voluntary stuff gladly, and I > strongly believed it helped to add up to get me where I am today as a > science communicator. > > I don't think it should be compulsory, and I certainly don't think it > should be an excuse for people to work for nothing (though God knows > I've done enough of that in my time too). I just think it's not quite > as black-and-white as some people make out. > > K > > *From:*psci-com: on public engagement with science > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Cathy Baldwin > *Sent:* 27 April 2012 14:42 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students > > That's a choice, not a necessity. Ask any stressed person on a low > income completing a training programme which already includes > compulsary unpaid activities, e.g. publishing and conference > participation, if they would gladly take on more unpaid work, and see > what the answer is! > > Dr Cathy Baldwin, [log in to unmask] > Post Doctoral Associate, > Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology, University of Oxford > http://www.meccsa.org.uk/pgn/pages/excom/cathybaldwin.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*psci-com: on public engagement with science > [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Kat Arney [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 27 April 2012 14:37 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students > > What about people who volunteer for a charity whose cause they care > about? > > Or people who volunteer for things because it's fun? (I'm thinking > particularly of getting involved in school science events here, based > on my own experiences as a student). > > K > > *From:*psci-com: on public engagement with science > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Cathy Baldwin > *Sent:* 27 April 2012 14:35 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students > > I would suggest paying them as it sounds as though it would be hard to > justify asking people to contribute 'expertise' on an unpaid basis at > any level, unless they had specifically opted to volunteer as skilled > professionals, a bit like the doctors who work for MSF. If there are > very clear and tangible learning/experience gaining outcomes from the > activity, e.g. you will have learnt how to write a press release to > professional standard, you will gain media interview experience, to > people who have made a clear choice that they want to gain public > engagement experience (such as the lady from Bristol who asked for > help on the list earlier today), then I don't think just asking people > to donate their skills for free can be justified. > > Dr Cathy Baldwin, [log in to unmask] > Post Doctoral Associate, > Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology, University of Oxford > http://www.meccsa.org.uk/pgn/pages/excom/cathybaldwin.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*psci-com: on public engagement with science > [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Hickman Mat (RW3) CMFT > Manchester [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 27 April 2012 14:23 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students > > Thank you for this Cathy. > > To be clear, I didn't mean to suggest forcing PhD students to > volunteer. Rather, if there is a public engagement activity that would > benefit from the expertise etc. of PhD students and you offer them the > chance to get involved, should you also offer payment. Completely up > to them whether they choose to get involved or not. (So I guess you > answered this by way of 'voluntary volunteering') > > Thanks again, > > Mat > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*psci-com: on public engagement with science > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Cathy Baldwin > *Sent:* 27 April 2012 14:11 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students > > PhD students rarely have a lot of free time, the same as employees. > During a PhD, there is the pressure to teach, publish, research, > organise conferences, network for the future etc etc, on a learning > basis (some with relationships and families to nuture as well) all of > which contribute to high stress etc, just the same as in ordinary > academic jobs. Completing a PhD is more than a full time job in > itself. I don't know any PhD students who are 'happy' to volunteer for > unpaid extras, particularly given the low salaries that PhDs > encompass. Some will do it as a necessarily evil to build the > appropriate experience for an academic career. Given that teaching > stipends are often low, publications and helping out conferences etc > don't usually pay, there is no justification for compulsary > volunteering. A small amount of er 'voluntary volunteering' where > there are clear benefits to an up and coming researcher's portfolio of > experience, may be tolerated, but not demanded. All work which demands > a person's skills and time should ethnically be paid. > > Dr Cathy Baldwin, [log in to unmask] > Post Doctoral Associate, > Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology, University of Oxford > http://www.meccsa.org.uk/pgn/pages/excom/cathybaldwin.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*psci-com: on public engagement with science > [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Hickman Mat (RW3) CMFT > Manchester [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* 27 April 2012 12:32 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students > > Dear all, > > Vaguely related to Laura Walker's question... 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