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Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:47:42 +0000
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Subject: Re: Advice on teaching advice/advise distinction
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ooh nice topic - some have a vowel change as well as +voice in the final consonant
 
breath (n) breathe (v)
bath (n) bathe (v)
 
 
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Dear Dominic
You may find it useful to teach this difference within the set of noun/verbs that make this or a similar distinction

eg
advice (n) advise (verb) /z/
house  (n)  house  (verb) /z/

practice (n)  practise ( verb) no sound change

I think that you will find a list of  these in a standard Advanced level grammar book- too lazy to get up and find one at the moment.
Some of the others have a stress change from noun to verb.
I have always found that when one teaches this sort of point,it is helpful for the students to realise this isn't a one-off, but part of a systematic change.Then you can help the students to add to their list as they need.
Explain however, that lots of English people don't know the rule, and make the spelling mistake.
Getting the sound right is of course important in advise (/z/).

Best wishes
Norma


Norma Brewer


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From: Isabel Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Advice on teaching advice/advise distinction
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Date: Saturday, 18 February, 2012, 15:19

Strong E1 learners wanting to know about this difference could be encouraged to think of a mnemonic device.
Such as I advise you to do .... / I suggest you do....
And also for practice and practise if they ask .... for which I have my own very complicated mnemonic!
Forming simple sentences with words on coloured cards acc to their class ( determiner noun verb etc) or from substitution tables might suit strong E1 learners who are up to asking about the differences.
And yes, do join NATECLA for support!
Isabel Arnold
A good mnemonic device for remembering the colour yellow (peela) in Urdu: 'Peel a banana'!



Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:32:30 +0000
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Subject: Advice on teaching advice/advise distinction
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Hello everyone 

I am teaching a group of very strong E1 learners. The
topic is healthy eating. In the class I was asked to 
explain the difference between advice and advise. 
The word 'advise' had been introduced into the 
lesson by a very strong student. 

So what I  need to teach is the difference between a 
verb and a noun. I have written some sentences to
contrast these, but frankly these are inauthentic. I
don't know if anyone can point me towards any 
resources or give general advice (!) on this topic.
I appreciate that this is rather basic enquiry, however 
I teach in a setting where I basically have zero in-house 
academic support. 

Regards

Dominic Clarke
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