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I have been traveling and went back and reviewed the string.

We need to separate the "myths" of the medieval ages from the earlier beliefs. You can lump Satan, Lucifer, and the Devil all together for medieval purposes. But one has to recognize that this was not the case in the Hebrew Bible. The Isaiah passage originally had nothing to do with such creature as was believed in during the middle ages. Lucifer was originally a mere mortal king. The name was later ascribed to the arch-nemesis of God and lumped together with other figures such as Satan.

One simply cannot go to Biblical passages and say this is where the "myth" originated. One must cite the source of the particular interpretation of the passage. The idea of fallen angels does not begin with Isaiah. It begins with the person who, at a later date, said that this was about the Devil or Satan (originally two different beings).

V. Kerry Inman, M.A., M.Div., Th.M.
Ph. D. Candidate, Arabic and Hebrew
University of Pennsylvania
Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations


Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:40:11 -0400
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What are we doing here?? Isaiah 14:12-14 is not about Satan!

There is not an ounce of scholarship in this.

V. Kerry Inman, M.A., M.Div., Th.M.
Ph. D. Candidate, Arabic and Hebrew
University of Pennsylvania
Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations
 

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:09:37 -0700
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Dear Rachel,

the fall of Satan is mentioned in Isaiah 14, 12-14:
12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid te nations low!
13 You said in your heart:
"Iwill ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will assembly on the heights of Zaphon;
14 I will ascend to the top of clouds;
I will make meself like the Most High.
15 But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the depths of the Pit.

But in full volume the myth of the fall of Satane and its angels is exposed in the "Secret book"of Bogomils.
According to Bogomils, initially Satanael was directly associated with the Lord, and some dualist versions even refer to him as God’s firstborn. However, he was filled with pride, and he sought to place his power above God, managing to involve one-third of the angels in his revolt. God threw the traitors in the abyss and removed the syllable “el”, a symbol of divinity, from Sataniel’s name. Satan lost his light and his face became “like molten iron.” Nevertheless, God was merciful and allowed Satan to create his own world – that was our Earth. Thus, Satan became the prince of the earthly world as the evil god. He devised and molded man in his likeness from clay, then entered angels’ souls, once true to God, disguised as the bodies of men and women.
Therefore, Creation was divided between the heavenly, invisible, immortals that belonged to the Good God, and the earthly, visible, humans, controlled by the Evil God. Such is the dualist portrayal of the world. They believed that humans, subject to the power of Satan bodies engulfing the souls of angels from the heavenly creation, constantly strive to leave the devil’s creation to return to the Good Lord. For them, communication of the Word in their native tongue, the imitation of Christ (imitatio Christi), helped spawn a return to the kingdom of heaven. So, they did not fear the stakes – fire allowed these heretics to escape the sinful kingdom of Satan, the flesh of the bodies he created,  to return to the kingdom of the Good God as free souls.
Some pages of the "Secret book" in Latin, as well in English translated by professor Thomas Butler, are available on:
http://www.bogomilism.eu/Other%20authors/Thomas%20Butler.html

"Heretically"yours:
Georgi Vasilev, Ph.D., D.Litt.
Professor of European and Medieval Studies
Sofia 1784, 119 Tsarigradsko shose bd
Mob. 00359 885/969087

P.P.
Dear Colleagues, allow me to send you this actual information:

Free communications 23. Medieval dissent: Bogomils and other religious dissidents on the Balkans

24 August 2011

  • Georgi Vasilev: Bogomilism – an important precursor of the Reformation
  • Thomas Butler: Bogomil Cultural Syncretism
  • Théofanis L. Drakopoulos : Questions méthodologiques sur le bogomilo-catharisme
  • Hisatsugu Kusabu: Approaches of New Heresiology and Beyond – the Bogomils, a case study
  • Надежда Драгова: Рисуваното богословие на богомилите
  • Erika Lazarova: The Bogomil-Cathar’s philosophy as a theory of total social criticism
  • Maja Angelovska-Panova, Andrew P. Roach: Punishment of Heretics: Comparisons and Contrasts between Western Inquisitors and Eastern Churchmen
  • Dick van Niekerk: Crossroads of Bogomils and Cathars? New light on the “Church of the Latins” in Constantinople (12th, 13th century)
  • Grażyna Szwat-Gyłybowa: Modern adaptations of the Bogomils dissent: a few thoughts about the Bulgarian case
  • Asya Bereznyak: A Conversion Gone Awry? A Different Perspective on the Christianisation of Bulgaria and the Rise of Bogomilism
  • Nadejda Miladinova: Reuses of a Byzantine anthology in the Early Modern Period – a case study on the Panoplia Dogmatike of Euthymios Zygabenos

    Moderator: Georgi Vasilev
 



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Thanks everyone for your help! Great suggestions!

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