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  have to comment that calling the mental health crisis team in my location would be a pretty ineffective action (due to budget cuts/no staff etc)- think I would be more likely to go with police or ambulanceDate: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:36:48 +0000
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Carr
The mental health first aid is just the same as BLS does it have any competence consideration. Remember if you a dealing with a case on first aid u a not providing the cure but u signpost the person to the right place that's all u need to do. 

Patience
On 16 Jun 2011, at 06:21, Carr Barnes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Oh...and also ...isn't there a post training competence issue to consider? How do you ensure competence is kept up? :)
Regards,
Carr
On Jun 16, 2011 7:18 a.m., "Carr Barnes" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm sure Simon will contribute later with his expertise but to play devil's

> advocate isn't there evidence to say that asking someone about the specifics
> of how they plan to do it can actually increase the risk of them carrying
> out the act?
> 
> Regards,
> 

> Carr
> On Jun 16, 2011 7:03 a.m., "Patience" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> The person speaking to the individual who is contemplating suicide should

> ask how the person intends to do it. Then one can call the mental health
> crisis team. It's called mental health first aid and there is training
> available for managers, oh or hr regards to handling such situations.

>>
>> Patience
>>
>> On 15 Jun 2011, at 22:55, sharon naylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> was thinking something more along the lines of a written action

> plan/rationale for those actions
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:26:26 +0100
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH]

>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> We advise managers to call an ambulance in such circumstances as it is a
> potential emergency.

>>> Regards,
>>> Carr
>>> On Jun 15, 2011 11:21 p.m., "sharon naylor" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >

>>> >
>>> >
>>> > another musing - have just been contacted by a past colleague wanting
> advice with a situation they were experiencing(have to stress at this point
> that my colleague is not OH/clinical). Someone has contacted my colleague by

> phone and text giving the impression that they are suicidal, it is known
> that the individual is "depressed" following multiple bereavements. Now I
> know what I would do in such circumstances but started to ponder about a

> policy/action plan for those that may well be contacted as a
> friend/peer/line manager who may not have any codes of practise for
> guidance. Does any list member have such a thing?
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