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No. On Ash Wednesday, the cross is signed only with ashes (from the burning of palms from the prior year’s Palm Sunday).

 

The Gregorian water mixture is not muddy. The bishop sprinkles salt and ashes (cruciform) over the surface of a large pot of water, then it is blessed. The amount of salt and ashes used is typically not enough to do more than—at most—make the water a bit cloudy. He then sprinkles the exterior walls of the building three times with this water.

 

The rite of consecration of a church parallels somewhat the rite of baptism. Before being consecrated, the building is ‘exorcised,’ much like the exorcism used in the baptismal rite. Hence, the use of ashes is penitential, as is the wearing of violet vestments in this first part of the rite, in the first part of the rite of baptism, and in the rite of exorcism itself.

 

I’m not aware of any connection with the building being previously used for some other purpose, sacred or otherwise. The rite is the same for any building to be consecrated.

 

Stan Metheny

 

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Isn’t it such a mixture with which the forehead is marked with a cross on Ash Wednesday? And how does the bishop mark the sign of the cross at the corners of the building being consecrated? If with this ‘muddy mixture’, does the penitential aspect of ashes have some relevance in the case of the adoption for Christian worship of buildings previously used for sacred purposes by members of other religious traditions?

 

Graham

 

 

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On 31 Mar 2010, at 18:25, Henk wrote:

 

What do you get if or when you mix salt, water and ashes: a muddy substance. What did they do with it?

Henk

According to the Pontifical of Magdalen college:

Post  hoc misceatur sal et cinis. faciatque ex eis crucem episcopus super ipsam aquam et dicat. "Hec commixtio salis. et cineris. cum aqua. bendicta sit. sanctificata sit. ad consecrationem huius eclesie. et altaris in nomine domini."

 

I imagine him sprinkling the salt and ashes on the surface of the water (held in a bowl?) in the form of a cross

Cate

 

 

 

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