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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture There is another tale told in the Memoires de la societe archeologique d¹Eure-et-Loir, vol. 9, by F. de Mély, called ³Les Chemises de la Vierge,² in which the reliquary is described as being of cedar, which would speak well to the preservation of the nightdress, and a custom of offering to the pregnant queen of France a copy of the nightdress and that this custom survived until 1811. The article is readable online through a google search. The author cites the custom as dating at least to the early 16th c. It all seems highly unlikely but interesting... On 1/29/10 12:23 AM, "Marjorie Greene" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > Thanks, Jim. I should have googled "chartres reliquary 1712" first, then I > would have had your article before me and not had to bother the list. > There was another fluffier website that talked of cutting the veil - or > whatever - into pieces, that it was dated from NT times, etc. > MG > > Marjorie Greene > http://medrelart.shutterfly.com/ > > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Dr Jim Bugslag <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> From: Dr Jim Bugslag <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 27. January >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:46 PM >> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >> >> Marjorie, >> According to Yves Delaporte, a very knowledgeable canon of Chartres in the >> early 20th century, the venerable old Sainte-Chasse was opened with the >> intention of translating the relics in it to a new reliquary, since the old >> one, reputedly made in the late 10th century, was falling apart. At some >> time in the 17th century, a special rod of gold had been made in order to >> poke about through the holes in it, and there was a repair effected in 1679. >> Shortly later, though, it was claimed that fabric could be seen through the >> holes in the shrine. Nevertheless, a new reliquary was not made in 1712, and >> that may have been because of the shock and disappointment of not finding the >> Holy Tunic within. All that was found was a length of silk that was >> immediately interpreted as the Virgin's Veil. A brave face was put on, but >> the Veil was stuffed back into its rickety old reliquary until the French >> Revolution, when the reliquary was melted down, but the relic saved. That is >> the "official" story, in any case. There were occasional references, >> however, to a Veil from the late 13th century, and I can't help suspecting >> that the good canons had sneaked a peak much earlier than 1712. We will >> probably never know the whole story. >> Cheers, >> Jim >> >> Marjorie Greene wrote: >>> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >>> > Jim Bugslag wrote: reliquary (which when opened in 1712 was found [not to >>> contain a tunic] >>> > Now I'm curious why this reliquary was opened in 1712. 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