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Thanks to all who responded.
I think I found what I was looking for, under the a title I certainly never would have thought of!
http://www.greattreasures.org/gnt/main.do
This still does not have the U Penn connection I remember, but it does the same kind of things, and
will be adequate for my introductory course. Whether it is, as stated, "theologically neutral"
is something I haven't yet used it enough to have an opinion on.
Meg
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
The Perseus Project NT (hosted by Tufts) allows for the English and
Greek to appear on the same page (click on "load" on the right hand
side to get the English; there's also the Vulgate). Clicking on Greek
words brings up information in a pop-up window. Not sure if it's the
site you had in mind, but the NT pages are here:
Full URL: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/collection?collection=Perseus%3Acorpus%3Aperseus%2Cauthor%2CNT
Shortened URL: http://bit.ly/7vc0VA
Francis
2010/1/19 Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]>:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Thanks, almost there . . . though the version I remember had an interlinear translation!
> Meg
>
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> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Feller
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] greek text
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Hi Meg,
>
> This may not be the one that you are looking for, but it does give you
> the morphology and a brief translation when you mouse over. The text
> is based on Westcott-Hort 1881, with UBS4/NA27 readings noted, and it
> uses the U Penn CCAT morphological analysis:
> http://whnac.biblos.com/matthew/1.htm
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil Feller
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Cormack, Margaret Jean
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>> Dear Bob,
>> Help! The last time I taught a course on christianity, I remember
>> finding a terrific website
>> hosted as I recall at U Penn where the gospels were written in greek,
>> with translation, and in
>> addition as one ran the mouse over each word one would get a complete
>> grammatical analysis of it.
>> Now I can't find the site! Can you send me a link?
>> Meg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Kraft
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:36 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
>>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>> culture
>>
>> A rather complex question that might need more focus. Without doing any
>> specific "homework" on it, the following topics occur to me:
>> Early Christian use of the IXQUS (fish, ichthus) symbol for
>> identification;
>> Early Christian use of the sign of the cross ("seal"), probably on the
>> forehead;
>> Written amulets, perhaps following on Jewish use of phylacteries or
>> tefillin;
>> Gems and the like (incidentally, I'd be pleased to know where Clement --
>>
>> not to my knowledge "bishop" of Alexandria -- mentioned such things);
>> Graffiti and wall images of crosses and other characteristic items;
>> Independent portable items such as icons, pendants, etc.
>>
>> I'm sure that many (but not all) of these are attested by the 3nd
>> century, and a few even earlier. Whether the burial of "sacred" books
>> with a deceased person also counts (e.g. "Gospel of Judas," "Gospel of
>> Peter" -- and many others) is discussable. Some byzantine coins from the
>>
>> 10th century onward (perhaps earlier) also bore images of Jesus. And
>> isn't the "Veronica" shroud-type image mentioned already in the 4th
>> century? Plenty to keep one busy here!
>>
>> Bob Kraft, UPenn
>>
>> Dr Jim Bugslag wrote:
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>> culture
>>>
>>> Meg,
>>> Although I have no historical data to base this on, my feeling is that
>>
>>> they did indeed. It's more a question of human nature, really. Why
>>> give up something that works for something else, if you don't see any
>>> fundamental problem with using both? This is the sort of question
>>> that, I'm sure, maddened theologians, and reassured the masses of
>>> Christians through most of the "middle ages".
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>> culture
>>>>
>>>> Your rephrasing is much better! Though it brings up another
>>>> question, namely whether early Christians who used crosses as amulets
>>
>>>> also had other kinds of amulets. . . Meg
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>>
>>>> culture on behalf of Dr Jim Bugslag
>>>> Sent: Sun 10.1.2010 20:57
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>> culture
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that this question should be rephrased: do we know when
>>>> Christians began to assimilate the practice of using amulets? In the
>>>> late 2nd century, Clement, the Bishop of Alexandria, recommends
>> devices
>>>> that Christians should carve on their rings, including doves, ships
>> and
>>>> anchors - that's pretty amuletic. Crosses scratched in cemeteries
>> also
>>>> begin to appear in the 2nd century, I believe. On a later phase of
>> this
>>>> usage, see Henry Maguire, The Icons of their Bodies: Saints and their
>>>> Images in Byzantium (1996).
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Marjorie Greene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>> culture
>>>>> "Do we know when amulets (crosses or otherwise) are first used?"
>>>>>
>>>>> An interesting question and one I cannot answer. It would be
>>>>> interesting to find the earliest example of a cleric wearing a
>>>>> pectoral cross. I suspect, but have no evidence, that they started
>> the
>>>>> practice, which then trickled down to the laity.
>>>>> I hope you get an authoritative response.
>>>>> MG
>>>>>
>>>>> Marjorie Greene
>>>>> http://medrelart.shutterfly.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Mon, 1/11/10, Cormack, Margaret Jean /<[log in to unmask]>/*
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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