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So why didn't the EH thesaurus use that definition? And add activity. And add all the other archaeological 'activities' - I've seen some interesting ones...
 
If you're trying to standardise, you're going a funny way about it.
 

Chris Webster

Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA

01823 255080

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Philip
Sent: 18 January 2010 15:41
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Dear all 

As Noel pointed out the Environmental Statement is the result of the Environmental Impact Assessment. (see http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/planningandbuilding/environmentalimpactassessment) The EIA (or DBA) is just as valid an event as any other activity which is then typed up in a report. If we’re to follow Chris’s argument then to my mind the reverse is true we don’t need to record the events just the sources resulting from them!

 

As for what constitutes an event or activity I suggest we should take our lead from the international standard “Information and documentation -- A reference ontology for the interchange of cultural heritage information” ISO 21127:2006 (AKA the CIDOC CRM).

 

I’d challenge anyone to say that any event in the thesaurus doesn’t fit the definition of an event in that auspicious publication.

 

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
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If you are going down this route that the Environmental Statement (or DBA) is an event, then so is any other book synthesising knowledge about the past (including Geoffrey of Monmouth). Thus we don't need sources, they are all events!

 

 

Chris Webster

Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA

01823 255080

Visit the online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her 

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: 18 January 2010 14:45
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However you cover it up they are still events recognised or not.

The medieval manuscript where Merlin moves the stones from Wales presumably!

 

David Evans

Historic Environment Record Officer

Planning and Environment

South Gloucestershire Council

Civic Centre 

High Street

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 18 January 2010 14:35
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I thought we'd abandoned 'recognition events' years ago. When was Stonehenge first 'recognised'?

 

The EIA is a source for the monument. Easy.

 

Chris Webster

Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA

01823 255080

Visit the online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her 

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: 18 January 2010 14:15
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Therefore if an archaeological site is recorded only in an EIA and nowhere else I can’t use the EIA as the recognition event, sorry be the logic escapes me!

 

David Evans

Historic Environment Record Officer

Planning and Environment

South Gloucestershire Council

Civic Centre 

High Street

Kingswood

BS15 9TR

Phone: 01454 863649

fax:       01454 865173

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Sent: 18 January 2010 13:55
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Crispin 

EIA is a statutory process. It sometimes results in events but it is not an event in itself.  In the same way as an evaluation undertaken in response to a planning application is an event but the planning application isn't.   i did make this point as part of the consultation.   

Stewart 

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Hertfordshire County Council
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Chris 
I’m sure Paul will speak up, but as I understand it the new thesaurus is supposed to be useful for the MIDAS Heritage “Investigate Activity” and “Research & Analysis” information groups (which come under the “Activities” theme). If this is correct, then types like AP interpretation , EIA become useful and valid. And this ties in with the recording practice of most HERs. 
  
On another note… HBSMR users note that although the event type terms may be included in the next thesaurus version, there’s still a lot more work to actually enable thesaurus-based recording in the Activities/Events module, and to work out a smooth migration mechanism for existing data. 
  
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Crispin 
  
  
  
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Sent: 18 January 2010 13:15
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As Paul will be aware, I'm more concerned about what has got in that shouldn't be there than the other way around. I brought this up at the peer review stage but there was no discussion, so I don't know what the thinking is. However, I still cannot see how the inclusion of things such as Environmental Impact Assessment 

"An information gathering exercise to facilitate an understanding of the potential environmental impact of a development proposal; includes the collation of specialist reports from a variety of disciplines." 

can be reconciled with the definition of an event: 

"A single episode of primary data collection over a discrete area of land. This single recording event can only consist of one investigative technique and is therefore a unique entity in time and space". (My emphasis). 

Things like EIAs and DBAs were clearly meant to be excluded from this definition. They have crept in (via the ALGAO list I think) because they are otherwise difficult to record in a HER but that's not a reason to compromise the thesaurus in this way. 

Similar considerations apply to APs and this is not a clear cut area. I'd suggest that a flight taken for archaeological purposes is the event - the photos are merely a recording technique (as they would be if taken at ground level). Searching for archaeological things on APs taken for other purposes is no different from looking at old ground level photos, or paintings, for information about a non-extant building. 

Rant over. Discuss. 
  

Chris Webster

Somerset Historic Environment Record
Taunton Castle
Taunton
TA1 4AA

01823 255080

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Dear Paul, 
  
Thanks for this - it looks really useful. One thing that seems to be missing from the list (and which we use quite a lot in Norfolk as we have an NMP project underway) is aerial photo interpretation (as opposed to the actual process of aerial reconnaissance and photography). I would have expected to find it listed under Heritage Assessment - sorry if I have missed this and it's somewhere else in the thesaurus. 
  
Many thanks, 
  
Alice 
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Historic Environment Record Officer
Norfolk Landscape Archaeology 
Union House 
Gressenhall 
East Dereham 
NR20 4DR 
  
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ADAMS, Paul
Sent: 18 January 2010 11:52
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Importance: High 
Dear colleagues, 
  
You may be interested to know that English Heritage’s Data Standards Unit recently completed a thesaurus of archaeological and architectural fieldwork types and techniques as a development of the ALGAO event type wordlist.  The thesaurus will allow users to identify and apply standardized indexing to a wide range of investigative activities that are undertaken by the heritage community, as well as assisting in the retrieval and exchange of data, please see attached leaflet. 
  
We are pleased to announce that the first edition of the Event Types Thesaurus is now available in .csv format for building into databases, if you would like a copy in this format please feel free to contact me off list; HBSMR users will receive the thesaurus as part of our next update.  Our web pages have now been updated at  <http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/> http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk where users can browse the thesaurus online and download pdf versions of the introduction and appendices.   
Once again I would like to thank all those who kindly gave their time to comment on and participate in the review of the thesaurus during its construction. 
Kind regards 
  
Paul 
  
Paul Adams AIfA 
Data Standards Supervisor 
English Heritage 
NMRC, Kemble Drive, Swindon. SN2 2GZ 
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