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I think this is an excellent point cris.
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Peter
 

Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:26:25 -0400
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Subject: Re: Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry launch at Birkbeck (Weds 21st October 2009)
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while i'm at it

i am generally more suspicious of poets whose work does not consider fully the visual and sonic and semantic aspects as integrated

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cris



On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:17 PM, ian davidson wrote:

"I completely take your point about visual poetry tho: a criminally marginalised area. absolutely.
Sean"

Sean and Miekal

Without a glimmer of self promotion there's a whole chapter on visual poetry in my recent book Ideas of Space in Contemporary Poetry. And there have been a couple of pretty high profile exhibitions in london, and one in glasgow I think? 

There are some more specialist books about by Joanna Drucker which are pretty good.

But I do agree, it does get marginalised, and endless primary school teachers getting children to write poems in the shape of a christmas tree doesn't help. it's nearly that time of year again.

Do you want to say anything about your visual practice Sean? Or the visual nature of your poems?

Ian 


Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:53:57 +0000
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Hi mIEKAL // what I was trying get at was what I understood to be Jeff's claim that academic commentary on poetry would necessarily limit it. When I said it 'reflects the liveliness of the scene' I meant that academic interest comes about because there's a range of practices (outside the university) that academics are interested to write about, and so rather than academic writing being prescriptive, its hopefully a commentary on whats already happening. 
I completely take your point about visual poetry tho: a criminally marginalised area. absolutely.
Sean

http://abandonedbuildings.blogspot.com/

--- On Fri, 23/10/09, mIEKAL aND <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: mIEKAL aND <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry launch at Birkbeck (Weds 21st October 2009)
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Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 2:14 PM

Sean, normally I find myself agreeing with your comments but this one has me scratching my head.  I'll give you an example that has perplexed my community of practitioners seemingly forever.  Visual Poetry has an extremely vibrant & endless interesting field of production, with work by hundreds of artist going back 50 years, yet there has been an almost complete hands off from academia, except for the occasional one off.  Perhaps yr speaking to the specific scene yr a part of & I'm missing the point.

~mIEKAL

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Sean Bonney <[log in to unmask]" rel=nofollow>[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Poetry is not getting 'hedged in' by academia. Academic interest reflects the liveliness of the scene in general.




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