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Hello all, On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:12 AM, nagasiva yronwode, YIPPIE Director <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > to save > you some trouble, he relies upon these historical > sources as regards the origin of Ouija: > > "Old Hat New Hat", by Michael Goss, > in *Magonia*, 1991; 40:p. 9-11 > (citing page 11) Perhaps "Magonia" is hard to find in Denmark (but, judging by serials inventory, Swedish "Archival for UFO Research" [http://www.afu.info/] Foundation should have a copy of that issue). To save, also in this case, some trouble, an electronic copy of Goss article could be found, for a first check, here: http://magonia.haaan.com/2009/oldhat/ (btw: a (current?) list member is cited :-)- > the varying claims made for the origination of spirit boards > is quite amusing, extending as you say to Greeks as well as > to the Chinese. divination and games interweave back into the > remote human past and in some cases cannot either be sourced > or distinguished from one another. About a kind of a Late Antiquity "Ouija board" antecedent (an event narrated by Ammianus Marcellinus and Socrates) see Dodds, E. R. (1973/1985). The Ancient Concept of Progress and Other Essays on Greek Literature and Belief. Oxford / New York: Oxford University Press (at pages 193/194) Ogden, Daniel (2001). Greek and Roman Necromancy. Princeton/Oxford: Princeton University Press (at page 157) Ogden, Daniel (2002). Magic, Witchcraft and Ghosts in the Greek and Roman Worlds: A Sourcebook. Oxford / New York: Oxford University Press (at pages 285-286, with a translation from Socrates) Luck, Georg (ed.) (2006). Arcana Mundi. Magic and occult in the Greek and Roman Worlds [2nd Ed]. Baltimore: The John Hopkins University Press (at pages 50, 83, 314, based upon Dodds), Best, Roberto