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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, at 9:28 am, christopher crockett wrote, quoting Bob Kraft: > > >and the underwriting is still decipherable (Et enim sede). > > sorry. > > you lost me entirely there. > > perhaps we are not looking at the same image. > > but i'll be jiggered if i can see an "Et enim sede" anywhere on this page > > http://www.neumann-walter.de/NW/November2007/27.11.07/33.jpg > > and i can see no "underwriting" below the main text of the chant, anywhere, > either. > > you Manuscript guys sure do have sharp eyes. I can see it just as Bob does, in the line that now has: e de It may not be quite as plain as a pikestaff, but it's there. If you look closely at the space after the second 'e' on that line you should be able to make out what at first glance might appear to be an 'x'. It's actually the join between an uncial 'd' and an 'e'. Work backwards from thaty and you should be able to reconstruct the rest. <SNIP> > >And it doesn't take much paleographical skill > > now your talking my language. > > >to observe that the newly written "d" in that line > > the "Se*d*e" line... > > http://www.neumann-walter.de/NW/November2007/27.11.07/33.jpg > > >is not appropriate to the original hand -- see the final line on that > page > (domine deus) or the Solue line on the next page ending with "de." > > or the "d" in "aduersu[m]" just below the "Sede". > > yes, even i can see that. or the 'd' in the erased 'de' referred to above. Best, John Dillon ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html