Although the
PICO
formulation should apply easily to the majority of effectiveness
questions and
a great number besides you may encounter questions that are not easily
accommodated within this particular framework. Below you will find a
number of
acceptable alternatives:
For
non-intervention studies
we suggest that you may find it helpful to replace Intervention
(a planned procedure) with Exposure (an unintentional
occurrence or happening).
Population: Schoolchildren
living
near high voltage electricity pylons
Exposure: Abnormally high
electromagnetic fields
Comparison: School
children not
living near pylons.
Outcome: Incidence of
Childhood
cancers
For
interventions that are
heavily dependent on context for their effectiveness we suggest the
addition of
C for Context to the standard PICO formulation.
Population: Sexually
active teenagers
Intervention: Free
provision of
contraceptives
Comparison: Other
approaches to
prevention of teenage pregnancy
Outcome: Incidence of
pregnancies and
abortions
Context: Predominantly
Catholic countries
Problem: Patients with leg
ulcers
Intervention: Bandages
Evaluation: Acceptability
and patient
satisfaction
Setting: Industrialised
cities in the
developing world
Perspective: Health workers
Intervention/Interest:
Needle
Exchange schemes
Comparison: None
Evaluation: Acceptability
Problem: Adolescents with
Diabetes
Phenomenon of Interest:
Stigma
associated with use of needles
Time: Within a year of
diagnosis
Population/Patient:
Sexually active teenagers
Intervention: Free
provision of
contraceptives
Comparison: Other
approaches to
prevention of teenage pregnancy
Outcome: Incidence of
pregnancies and
abortions
Study Design: Cohort
Studies
Population/Patient:
Sexually active teenagers
Intervention: Free
provision of
contraceptives
Comparison: Other
approaches to
prevention of teenage pregnancy
Outcome: Incidence of
pregnancies and
abortions
Time: Within a year of
first sexual
activity
PEAHEN (Population,
Exposure, Adverse Health
Effects, Negative reactions; as
alternative to PICOC)
SugABABes (Suggested
Approach, Best Alternative,
Best
compromise; as alternative to SPICE)
PEAS (Problem,
Experiment, Alternative, Setting;
as alternative to PIE)
SAPO (Setting,
Approach, Primary Outcomes;
as alternative to PICO)
Andrew Booth
[log in to unmask]" type="cite">There are 4 messages totalling 985 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. SV: Qualitative research and PICO 2. R: Basic question about diagnostic versus prognostic studies 3. SV: SV: Qualitative research and PICO 4. Basic question about diagnostic versus prognostic studies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:52:13 -0600 From: "Dr. Carlos Cuello" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: SV: Qualitative research and PICO --00032557570240316e046390713d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings wouldn't be better to consider the question into the frame of background vs foreground questions? If so, this would obviously be a background question. Presuming qualitative research is often use to explore topics or questions that usually cannot be answered by quantitative methods, for example, what are the reasons doctors prescribe more x therapy? Or which are the reasons patients do not take x drug, etc? Regards Carlos A. Cuello-Garc=EDa, MD Director, Centre for Evidence-Based Practice-Tecnologico de Monterrey Cochrane-ITESM coordinator. Professor of Paediatrics and Clinical Research Avda. Morones Prieto 3000 pte. Col. Doctores. CITES 3er. piso,Monterrey NL, M=E9xico. CP64710 Phone. +52(81)88882154 & 2141. Fax: +52(81)88882019 www.cmbe.net The content of this data transmission must not be considered an offer, proposal, understanding or agreement unless it is confirmed in a document signed by a legal representative of ITESM. The content of this data transmission is confidential and is intended to be delivered only to the addressees. Therefore, it shall not be distributed and/or disclosed through any means without the authorization of the original sender. If you are not the addressee, you are forbidden from using it, either totally or partially= , for any purpose --00032557570240316e046390713d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>Greetings<br><br>wouldn't be better to consider the question into = the frame of background vs foreground questions?</div><div><br></div><div>I= f so, this would obviously be a background question.<br>Presuming qualitati= ve research is often use to explore topics or questions that usually cannot be answered by quantitative methods, for example, what are the reasons doctors prescribe more x therapy? Or wh= ich are the reasons patients do not take x drug, etc?<br><br>Regards<br><br=<br><br></div><br>Carlos A. Cuello-Garc=EDa, MD<br>Director, Centre for Ev=idence-Based Practice-Tecnologico de Monterrey <br> Cochrane-ITESM coordinator. Professor of Paediatrics and Clinical Research = <br>Avda. Morones Prieto 3000 pte. Col. Doctores. CITES 3er. piso,Monterrey= NL, M=E9xico. CP64710 <br>Phone. +52(81)88882154 & 2141. Fax: +52(81)8= 8882019 <br> <a href=3D"http://www.cmbe.net">www.cmbe.net</a><br> <br>The content = of this data transmission must not be considered an offer, proposal, unders= tanding or agreement unless it is confirmed in a document signed by a legal= representative of ITESM. The content of this data transmission is confiden= tial and is intended to be delivered only to the addressees. Therefore, it = shall not be distributed and/or disclosed through any means without the aut= horization of the original sender. If you are not the addressee, you are fo= rbidden from using it, either totally or partially, for any purpose<br> --00032557570240316e046390713d-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:46:10 +0100 From: Barbani Federico <[log in to unmask]> Subject: R: Basic question about diagnostic versus prognostic studies Hi Simon. I heard a beautiful sentence about this matter: "the diagnosis (..) is = only a mental resting place for prognostic considerations and therapeutic decisions". (Wulff HR. Rational diagnosis and treatment. Oxford: Blackwell = Scientific Publications, 2nd Editions. 1981: 80, cited in: Alessandro Liberati, A. Addis, Luciana Ballini, Marco Bobbio, Massimo Brunetti, and Vittorio = Caimi. Etica, conoscenza e sanit=E0. Evidence-based medicine fra ragione e = passione, Roma:Il Pensiero Scientifico, 2005) I have long thought about this fascinating question. I came to the conclusion that substantially diagnosis and prognosis have = in deep the same meaning. Academically you can say that diagnosis is a wider concept and = encompasses symptoms, signs and test results, while prognosis is limited to how and = how long will be the life of the patient; so it is somewhat a part of = diagnosis. But for a patient's perspective to have a diagnosis is actually to have = a prognosis if no intervention is made and you let natural history go on. Simply in clinical practice prognosis is often placed in a following = time than diagnosis. Kind regrds dott. Federico Barbani Healthcare Purchasing Unit Health Authority Modena via San Giovanni del Cantone 23 41100 MODENA, Italy tel 059/435813 - 435731 -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Per conto di Steve Simon Inviato: venerd=EC 20 febbraio 2009 20.21 A: [log in to unmask] Oggetto: Basic question about diagnostic versus prognostic studies Maybe this is a stupid question, but here goes. What is the difference between a diagnostic study and a prognostic=20 study? Is it that diagnostic study examines one of more factors that can = help identify an already existing condition whereas a prognostic study=20 examines one of more factors that can predict a future condition? Is it=20 that diagnosis is targeted towards something bad (disease) while=20 prognosis is targeted towards something good (recovery)? Or is it=20 something else? --=20 Steve Simon, Standard Disclaimer. Sign up for my brand new newsletter, The Monthly Mean, at www.pmean.com/news ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:51:20 +0100 From: Janet Harris <[log in to unmask]> Subject: SV: SV: Qualitative research and PICO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C99593.E6111D7A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C99593.E6111D7A" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C99593.E6111D7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kev, Craig and Carlos =20 Thanks for the points. =20 Re: Kev's point that Evaluation should be the results: The results = contained two headings: Perceived threat of the illness and Personal = control exercised by parents in response to the threat. I lumped these = under the term coping but it's probably better to keep the headings from = the article for accuracy. We also use Craig's PIC model, but have found that the different = definitions need some reinforcing. When people are accustomed to working = with RCTs and the traditional PICO, they tend to confuse Interventions = with Interest until they have had some practice.=20 Craig, where do you place the FIndings in your acronym? Carlos asked 'wouldn't be better to consider the question into the frame = of background vs foreground questions? If so, this would obviously be a = background question.' Sackett et al (2000) characterizes background questions as 'who, what, = where, when, why and how' questions. This fits with qualitative = questions. And qualitative research can provide good background = information to inform systematic reveiw protocols.The Cochrane = Qualitative Research Methods Group is working on this now.=20 =20 Best wishes Janet=20 ________________________________ Fra: Evidence based health (EBH) p=E5 vegne av Craig Lockwood Sendt: s=F8 22.02.2009 23:33 Til: [log in to unmask] Emne: Re: SV: Qualitative research and PICO Dear All, I have some affinity with the PICO format, its great in that existing = familiarity can assist with the teaching process, and with some = adaptation, I use the same approach for qualitative reviews.=20 In usage, PICO becomes P Population I phenomena of Interest Co Context The phenomena of interest being (in a phenomenological example) the = lived experience. =20 The question in action might look like "What is the lived experience of younger, disabled people residing in = long term care environments for older adults?" The population being younger people with a disability, the phenomena of = interest being their experiences and the context being that they are = living in an environment designed for older adults not living = independently. =20 This is the format I use for teaching question development for = qualitative systematic review titles also; although I don't know of any = published reviews that describe their process of question development = that report using this approach. Kind regards Craig Craig Lockwood Associate Director / Research & Innovation The Joanna Briggs Institute Royal Adelaide Hospital North Terrace Adelaide, South Australia 5000 p: +61 8 8303 4880 =20 f: +61 8 8303 8280=20 =20 ________________________________ From: Ornissa Naidoo <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Ornissa Naidoo <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:16:43 +1000 To: "[log in to unmask]" = <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: SV: Qualitative research and PICO Greetings Very interesting debate, Yes I tend to use PICO, I agree with Janet: P: Parents I: Is not a manipulated intervention, but rather an event that occurs=20 Hence I would use it as follows: P- Parents of preschool children who are acutely ill I- Parents beliefs/concerns C- Nil O- ( Not sure what you would eventually hope to achieve with the = information for eg:) - Less stressed patients of acutely ill preschool children .... =20 Hope this helps Kind regards=20 Ornissa Naidoo=20"k.hopayian" <[log in to unmask]> 23/02/2009 7:15 am >>>Hello Janet, Thanks for that. Yes, Booth and Brice?s SPICE structure does seem well = suited although it was developed with information services/librarians? = situation in mind. May I bounce back a few things for you to consider? 1 In teaching, it is good to have consistency so before accepting a new = tool, I would want to be sure that the old one has more disadvantages = than advantages (your ref to shoe horning points to a disadvantage). 2 PICO of course is not just for interventions, it works with diagnostic = and prognostic questions too (its suitability as an acronym has been = debated here before) 3 I think the Evaluation in SPICE as used below should actually be the = parents? beliefs and concerns about children becoming ill ? these are = the results.=20 Kev Dr Kev (Kevork) Hopayian MD FRCGP GP Tutor Postgraduate Medical Centre Ipswich Hospital Ipswich Suffolk -------on 22/02/2009 17:59, Janet Harris at [log in to unmask] = [log in to unmask]"><about:[log in to unmask]> wrote: Hi Kev =09 PICO is good when you want to compare interventions and outcomes but = it's difficult to shoehorn qulaitative questions into this format.. = Qualitative questions explore perceptions of health issues, attitudes = toward interventions, experiences with interventions, and acceptability = of outcomes. They may compare diverse views and experiences across = different people but the comparison isn't manipulated by putting people = into different groups.=20 =09 An alternative format suggested b Booth & Brice (2003) is SPICE=20 Setting: of the research Perspective: of those who are experiencing the intervention or the = situation of interest Intervention/Phenomena of Interest: the intervention or the phenomenon = that is being experienced Comparison: may be with those who do not receive the intervention or = experience the phenomenon Evaluation. What is being explored or evaluated in the study =09 Going back to your article, it could be formatted like this:=20 =09 =09 S: Disadvantaged inner city community P: Parents =20 I: Acutely ill preschool children=20 C: None E: .Coping when young children become acutely ill =20 All elements are not always present - it depends on the question. =20 =20 You could alternatively formulate it as a PO, PI or PIO keeping in mind = that your definitions for PIO are a bit different e.g. P: Parents I: Is not a manipulated intervention, but rather an event that occurs = - acute illness in preschool children =20 Hope that helps. =20 Best wishes Janet =20 Janet Harris Associate Professor University College Bergen Centre for Evidence Based Practice M?llandahlsveien 6 Bergen 5009 Norway =20 =09 =09 ________________________________ Fra: Evidence based health (EBH) p? vegne av Padmanabhan badrinath Sendt: s? 22.02.2009 16:17 Til: [log in to unmask] = [log in to unmask]"><about:[log in to unmask]>=20 Emne: Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT & CASP checklists =09 Dear Kev, =09 A very good afternoon and early spring greetings from the East of = Englnd. =09 A quick look at the CASP worksheets for the RCT and qualitative = desingns shows that first question is very different.=20 CASP checklist for RCT available at http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/rct appraisal tool.pdf=20 =09 The first question is:=20 =09 Did the study ask a clearly-focused question?=20 =09 Consider if the question is ?focused? in terms of:=20 ? the population studied=20 ? the intervention given=20 ? the outcomes considered =09 CASP checklist for qualitative study available at=20 http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/Qualitative Appraisal Tool.pdf=20 =09 The first question is: =09 Was there a clear statement of the aims of the research?=20 =09 Consider:=20 ? what the goal of the research was=20 ? why it is important=20 ? its relevance =09 It appears that the PICO format is more suited for therapy questions.=20 =09 You might also find this paper by Huang et al of interest.=20 =09 Evaluation of PICO as a Knowledge Representation for Clinical Questions http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D1839740=20 =09 "Our study shows that the PICO framework is best suited for = representing therapy questions, and considerably less-suited for = diagnosis, etiology, and prognosis questions. In some cases, it is = difficult to encode certain question classes without modifying the = existing PICO structure or introducing counterintuitive elements. Given = that the PICO framework is a well-established tool for formulating = clinical queries, any limitations of the framework itself could = potentially impact the quality of clinical evidence retrieved under its = guidance. This study reveals a number of challenges associated with PICO = analysis, which will serve as a basis for refining the principles of = clinical query formulation". =09 Warm regards & very best wishes, =09 Badri =09 Dr P Badrinath MD BS M.Phil MPH FFPH PhD (Cantab) Consultant in Public = Health Medicine & Affiliated Clinical Lecturer Suffolk PCT & University = of Cambridge Rushbrook house, Paper mill lane, Bramford, Ipswich, IP8 = 4DE, Suffolk, UK http://myprofile.cos.com/badrishanthi=20 =09 =09 =20 > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:08:25 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] = [log in to unmask]"><about:[log in to unmask]>=20 > Subject: Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT > To: [log in to unmask] = [log in to unmask]"><about:[log in to unmask]>=20 >=20 > Does anyone have experience of setting the research question in a > qualitative study into the PIO or PICO or PECOT format? It seems = possible to > do so but I have not seen it done. > P is easy to identify but the E or I and O less so. There is = sometimes a C > but more often not. > For example, in a study "To identify and explore parents' concerns = when > preschool children become acutely ill." > http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7063/983 > P =3D parents' of preschool children > E or I =3D children develop an acute illness (note - this does not = imply the > children have acute illness during the study, rather the parents = consider > their experience) > O =3D their beliefs and concerns. > So it can be done but my questions to the group are: > 1 Any views on using PIO/PICO in this situation? Does it add anything = of > value to our appreciation of the paper over and above a narrative = expression > of the research question (as in the title above)? > 2 Do you have experience of doing so? 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I lumped these under the = term coping but it's probably better to keep the headings from the = article for accuracy.</FONT></DIV></DIV>=0A= <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We also use Craig's PIC model, but have = found that the different definitions need some reinforcing. When = people are accustomed to working with RCTs and the traditional PICO, = they tend to confuse Interventions with Interest until they have had = some practice. </FONT></P>=0A= <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Craig, where do you place the FIndings in = your acronym?</FONT></P>=0A= <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carlos asked '</FONT>wouldn't be better = to consider the question into the frame of background vs foreground = questions? If so, this would obviously be a background = question.'<BR></DIV>=0A= <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Sackett et al = (2000) characterizes background questions as ‘who, what, = where, when, why and how’ questions. This fits = with qualitative questions. And qualitative research can provide = good background information to inform systematic reveiw protocols.The = Cochrane Qualitative Research Methods Group is working on this = now. </SPAN></DIV>=0A= <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: = AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV>=0A= <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Best = wishes</SPAN></DIV>=0A= <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; = mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: = AR-SA">Janet </SPAN><BR></DIV>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr>=0A= <HR tabIndex=3D-1>=0A= </DIV>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>Fra:</B> Evidence based = health (EBH) p=E5 vegne av Craig Lockwood<BR><B>Sendt:</B> s=F8 = 22.02.2009 23:33<BR><B>Til:</B> = [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Emne:</B> Re: SV: Qualitative = research and PICO<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>=0A= <DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">Dear = All,<BR>I have some affinity with the PICO format, its great in that = existing familiarity can assist with the teaching process, and with some = adaptation, I use the same approach for qualitative reviews. <BR>In = usage, PICO becomes<BR>P <U>Population<BR></U>I = phenomena of <U>Interest<BR></U>Co = <U>Context<BR></U><BR><BR>The phenomena of interest being (in a = phenomenological example) the lived experience. <BR><BR>The = question in action might look like<BR><BR>“What is the lived = experience of younger, disabled people residing in long term care = environments for older adults?”<BR><BR>The population being = younger people with a disability, the phenomena of interest being = their experiences and the context being that they are living in an = environment designed for older adults not living independently. = <BR><BR>This is the format I use for teaching question development = for qualitative systematic review titles also; although I don’t = know of any published reviews that describe their process of question = development that report using this approach.<BR><BR>Kind = regards<BR>Craig<BR><BR><B><BR><BR>Craig Lockwood<BR></B>Associate = Director / Research & Innovation<BR>The Joanna Briggs = Institute<BR>Royal Adelaide Hospital<BR>North Terrace<BR>Adelaide, South = Australia 5000<BR><BR>p: +61 8 8303 4880 = <BR>f: +61 8 8303 8280 = <BR><BR><IMG src=3D"image.jpg"><BR><FONT = color=3D#ff0000><B><BR></B></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>=0A= <HR align=3Dcenter width=3D"95%" SIZE=3D3>=0A= <B>From: </B>Ornissa Naidoo = <[log in to unmask]><BR><B>Reply-To: </B>Ornissa = Naidoo <[log in to unmask]><BR><B>Date: </B>Mon, 23 = Feb 2009 08:16:43 +1000<BR><B>To: = </B>"[log in to unmask]" = <[log in to unmask]><BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: SV: = Qualitative research and PICO<BR><BR>Greetings<BR>Very interesting = debate,<BR>Yes I tend to use PICO,<BR>I agree with = Janet:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT = face=3DArial>P: Parents<BR>I: Is not a manipulated intervention, = but rather an event that occurs <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Century = Gothic"><BR>Hence I would use it as follows:<BR>P- Parents of preschool = children who are acutely ill<BR>I- Parents beliefs/concerns<BR>C- = Nil<BR>O- ( Not sure what you would eventually hope to achieve with the = information for eg:)<BR> - Less stressed patients of acutely = ill preschool children ....<BR> <BR>Hope this helps<BR>Kind regards = <BR>Ornissa Naidoo <BR><BR><BR>>>> "k.hopayian" = <[log in to unmask]> 23/02/2009 7:15 am = >>><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3D"Times, Times = New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px">Hello Janet,<BR>Thanks for = that. Yes, Booth and Brice�s SPICE structure does seem well = suited although it was developed with information = services/librarians� situation in mind. May I bounce back a few = things for you to consider?<BR>1 In teaching, it is good to have = consistency so before accepting a new tool, I would want to be sure that = the old one has more disadvantages than advantages (your ref to shoe = horning points to a disadvantage).<BR>2 PICO of course is not just for = interventions, it works with diagnostic and prognostic questions too = (its suitability as an acronym has been debated here before)<BR>3 I = think the Evaluation in SPICE as used below should actually be the = parents� beliefs and concerns about children becoming ill = � these are the results. <BR><BR>Kev<BR><BR>Dr Kev (Kevork) = Hopayian MD FRCGP<BR>GP Tutor<BR>Postgraduate Medical Centre<BR>Ipswich = Hospital<BR>Ipswich<BR>Suffolk<BR><BR>-------on 22/02/2009 17:59, Janet = Harris at [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]> = wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT>=0A= <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D5><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px"><FONT = face=3DArial>Hi Kev<BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D4><FONT = face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT = face=3DArial>PICO is good when you want to compare interventions and = outcomes but it's difficult to shoehorn qulaitative questions into this = format.. Qualitative questions explore perceptions of health issues, = attitudes toward interventions, experiences with interventions, and = acceptability of outcomes. They may compare diverse views and = experiences across different people but the comparison isn't manipulated = by putting people into different groups. <BR></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>An = alternative format suggested b Booth & Brice (2003) is = </FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3D"Times, Times New = Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px">SPICE <BR>Setting: of the = research<BR>Perspective: of those who are experiencing the intervention = or the situation of interest<BR>Intervention/Phenomena of Interest: the = intervention or the phenomenon that is being experienced<BR>Comparison: = may be with those who do not receive the intervention or experience the = phenomenon<BR>Evaluation. What is being explored or evaluated in the = study<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D4><FONT face=3D"Verdana, = Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3D"Times, Times = New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px">Going back to your article, = it could be formatted like this: <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT = size=3D4><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR><BR>S: = Disadvantaged inner city community<BR>P: Parents <BR>I: = Acutely ill preschool children <BR>C: None<BR>E: .Coping = when young children become acutely ill<BR> <BR>All elements are not = always present - it depends on the question. = <BR> <BR>You could alternatively formulate it as a PO, = PI or PIO keeping in mind that your definitions for PIO are a bit = different e.g.<BR>P: Parents<BR>I: Is not a manipulated = intervention, but rather an event that occurs - acute illness in = preschool children<BR> <BR>Hope that helps.<BR> <BR>Best = wishes<BR>Janet<BR> <BR>Janet Harris<BR>Associate = Professor<BR>University College Bergen<BR>Centre for Evidence Based = Practice<BR>M�llandahlsveien 6<BR>Bergen = 5009<BR>Norway<BR> &= nbsp; <BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>=0A= <HR align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D3>=0A= </FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px"><B>Fra:</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT = face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D4><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"> Evidence = based health (EBH) p� vegne av Padmanabhan = badrinath<BR><B>Sendt:</B> s� 22.02.2009 16:17<BR><B>Til:</B> = [log in to unmask] = <[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]> <BR><B>Emne:</B> = Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT & CASP = checklists<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D4><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Dear Kev,<BR></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>A very = good afternoon and early spring greetings from the East of = Englnd.<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>A quick look at the CASP worksheets = for the RCT and qualitative desingns shows that first question is very = different. <BR>CASP checklist for RCT available at<BR><A = href=3D"http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/rct">http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_= Links/rct</A> appraisal tool.pdf <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, = Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>The first question is: = <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT = face=3DArial>Did the study ask a clearly-focused question? = <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT = face=3DArial><I>Consider if the question is �focused� in = terms of: <BR>� the population studied <BR>� the = intervention given <BR>� the outcomes = considered<BR></I></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>CASP checklist for qualitative = study available at <BR><A = href=3D"http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/Qualitative">http://www.phru.nhs= .uk/Doc_Links/Qualitative</A> Appraisal Tool.pdf <BR></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>The = first question is:<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Was there a clear statement of the = aims of the research? <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><I>Consider: <BR>� what the = goal of the research was <BR>� why it is important <BR>� = its relevance<BR></I></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>It appears that the PICO format is = more suited for therapy questions. <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, = Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>You might also find this = paper by Huang et al of interest. <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, = Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Evaluation of PICO as a = Knowledge Representation for Clinical Questions<BR><A = href=3D"http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D18397= 40">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D1839740</= A> <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT = face=3DArial>"Our study shows that the PICO framework is best suited for = representing therapy questions, and considerably less-suited for = diagnosis, etiology, and prognosis questions. In some cases, it is = difficult to encode certain question classes without modifying the = existing PICO structure or introducing counterintuitive elements. Given = that the PICO framework is a well-established tool for formulating = clinical queries, any limitations of the framework itself could = potentially impact the quality of clinical evidence retrieved under its = guidance. This study reveals a number of challenges associated with PICO = analysis, which will serve as a basis for refining the principles of = clinical query formulation".<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Warm regards & very best = wishes,<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Badri<BR></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Dr P Badrinath MD BS M.Phil MPH = FFPH PhD (Cantab) Consultant in Public Health Medicine & Affiliated = Clinical Lecturer Suffolk PCT & University of Cambridge Rushbrook = house, Paper mill lane, Bramford, Ipswich, IP8 4DE, Suffolk, UK <A = href=3D"http://myprofile.cos.com/badrishanthi">http://myprofile.cos.com/b= adrishanthi</A> <BR><BR><BR> <BR>> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 = 10:08:25 +0000<BR>> From: [log in to unmask] = <[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]> <BR>> Subject: = Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT<BR>> To: = [log in to unmask] = <[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]> <BR>> = <BR>> Does anyone have experience of setting the research question in = a<BR>> qualitative study into the PIO or PICO or PECOT format? It = seems possible to<BR>> do so but I have not seen it done.<BR>> P = is easy to identify but the E or I and O less so. There is sometimes a = C<BR>> but more often not.<BR>> For example, in a study "To = identify and explore parents' concerns when<BR>> preschool children = become acutely ill."<BR>> <A = href=3D"http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7063/983">http://www.bmj.= com/cgi/content/full/313/7063/983</A><BR>> P =3D parents' of = preschool children<BR>> E or I =3D children develop an acute illness = (note - this does not imply the<BR>> children have acute illness = during the study, rather the parents consider<BR>> their = experience)<BR>> O =3D their beliefs and concerns.<BR>> So it can = be done but my questions to the group are:<BR>> 1 Any views on using = PIO/PICO in this situation? Does it add anything of<BR>> value to our = appreciation of the paper over and above a narrative expression<BR>> = of the research question (as in the title above)?<BR>> 2 Do you have = experience of doing so? Could you tell us more?<BR>> -- <BR>> B/W, = Kev Hopayian<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT = size=3D4><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT face=3D"Verdana, = Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT = face=3D"Times, Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 18px"><BR><BR>-- <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=3D"Century = Gothic"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 10px">*******************************************************************= *************<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10px">This = email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for = the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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processes. A prognostic test is ordered to establish the probabilities of candidate = courses of the disease process. Many tests satisfy both intentions and may be ordered with either single = intention or combining the two. Jim James M. Walker, MD, FACP Chief Health Information Officer Geisinger Health System =20 =20 If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to = understand it. - Emerson Pugh=20Steve Simon <[log in to unmask]> 2/20/2009 2:21 PM >>>Maybe this is a stupid question, but here goes. What is the difference between a diagnostic study and a prognostic=20 study? Is it that diagnostic study examines one of more factors that can=20 help identify an already existing condition whereas a prognostic study=20 examines one of more factors that can predict a future condition? Is it=20 that diagnosis is targeted towards something bad (disease) while=20 prognosis is targeted towards something good (recovery)? 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