Hi List

I am a keen collector of PICO alternatives (and have invented a few quasi-humorous variants as well).

Specifically for Qualitative Research the following may be relevant:
SPICE (SETTING POPULATION INTERVENTION(Alternative=INTEREST, Phenomenon of)  COMPARISON EVALUATION) as already mentioned

PICOC (POPULATION INTERVENTION COMPARISON OUTCOMES CONTEXT) from Pettigrew and Roberts book

ProPheT (PROBLEM, PHENOMENON, TIME)

I reproduce my handout below in plain text. Word version available on request from the author!

Formulating non-PICO questions

 

Although the PICO formulation should apply easily to the majority of effectiveness questions and a great number besides you may encounter questions that are not easily accommodated within this particular framework. Below you will find a number of acceptable alternatives:

 

Q. What if I have not identified an Intervention? A. PECO

For non-intervention studies we suggest that you may find it helpful to replace Intervention (a planned procedure) with Exposure (an unintentional occurrence or happening).

Population: Schoolchildren living near high voltage electricity pylons

Exposure: Abnormally high electromagnetic fields

Comparison: School children not living near pylons.

Outcome: Incidence of Childhood cancers

Q. What if I am interested in a social intervention? A. PICOC

For interventions that are heavily dependent on context for their effectiveness we suggest the addition of C for Context to the standard PICO formulation.

Population: Sexually active teenagers

Intervention: Free provision of contraceptives

Comparison: Other approaches to prevention of teenage pregnancy

Outcome: Incidence of pregnancies and abortions

Context: Predominantly Catholic countries

Q. What if I have not identified a comparison? A. PIE

  1. First check that you have not simply overlooked an implicit comparison (e.g. standard care, placebo, non-intervention etcetera)
  2. Consider simply using the following framework:

Problem: Patients with leg ulcers

Intervention: Bandages

Evaluation: Acceptability and patient satisfaction

Q. What if I am interested in a Qualitative question? A. SPICE or ProPheT

Setting: Industrialised cities in the developing world

Perspective: Health workers

Intervention/Interest: Needle Exchange schemes

Comparison: None

Evaluation: Acceptability

 

Problem: Adolescents with Diabetes

Phenomenon of Interest: Stigma associated with use of needles

Time: Within a year of diagnosis

 

Q. What other variations on PICO are there? A. PICOS and PICOT

Population/Patient: Sexually active teenagers

Intervention: Free provision of contraceptives

Comparison: Other approaches to prevention of teenage pregnancy

Outcome: Incidence of pregnancies and abortions

Study Design: Cohort Studies

 

Population/Patient: Sexually active teenagers

Intervention: Free provision of contraceptives

Comparison: Other approaches to prevention of teenage pregnancy

Outcome: Incidence of pregnancies and abortions

Time: Within a year of first sexual activity

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And some variations you definitely won’t have heard of!:

PEAHEN (Population, Exposure, Adverse Health Effects, Negative reactions; as alternative to PICOC)

SugABABes (Suggested Approach, Best Alternative, Best compromise; as alternative to SPICE)

PEAS (Problem, Experiment, Alternative, Setting; as alternative to PIE)

SAPO (Setting, Approach, Primary Outcomes; as alternative to PICO)

 

 

 

Andrew Booth 14/11/06





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Greetings

wouldn't be better to consider the question into the frame of background vs
foreground questions?

If so, this would obviously be a background question.
Presuming qualitative research is often use to explore topics or questions
that usually cannot be answered by quantitative methods, for example, what
 are the reasons doctors prescribe more x therapy? Or which are the reasons
patients do not take x drug, etc?

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Date:    Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:46:10 +0100
From:    Barbani Federico <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: R: Basic question about diagnostic versus prognostic studies

Hi Simon.
I heard a beautiful sentence about this matter: "the diagnosis (..) is =
only
a mental resting place for prognostic considerations and therapeutic
decisions".
(Wulff HR. Rational diagnosis and treatment. Oxford: Blackwell =
Scientific
Publications, 2nd Editions. 1981: 80, cited in: Alessandro Liberati, A.
Addis, Luciana Ballini, Marco Bobbio, Massimo Brunetti, and Vittorio =
Caimi.
Etica, conoscenza e sanit=E0. Evidence-based medicine fra ragione e =
passione,
Roma:Il Pensiero Scientifico, 2005)

I have long thought about this fascinating question.
I came to the conclusion that substantially diagnosis and prognosis have =
in
deep the same meaning.
Academically you can say that diagnosis is a wider concept and =
encompasses
symptoms, signs and test results, while prognosis is limited to how and =
how
long will be the life of the patient; so it is somewhat a part of =
diagnosis.
But for a patient's perspective to have a diagnosis is actually to have =
a
prognosis if no intervention is made and you let natural history go on.
Simply in clinical practice prognosis is often placed in a following =
time
than diagnosis.
Kind regrds

dott. Federico Barbani
Healthcare Purchasing Unit
Health Authority Modena
via San Giovanni del Cantone 23
41100 MODENA, Italy
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but here goes.

What is the difference between a diagnostic study and a prognostic=20
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help identify an already existing condition whereas a prognostic study=20
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Kev, Craig and Carlos
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Thanks for the points.
=20
Re: Kev's point that Evaluation should be the results: The results =
contained two headings: Perceived threat of the illness and Personal =
control exercised by parents in response to the threat. I lumped these =
under the term coping but it's probably better to keep the headings from =
the article for accuracy.

We also use Craig's PIC model, but have found that the different =
definitions need some reinforcing. When people are accustomed to working =
with RCTs and the traditional PICO, they tend to confuse Interventions =
with Interest until they have had some practice.=20

Craig, where do you place the FIndings in your acronym?

Carlos asked 'wouldn't be better to consider the question into the frame =
of background vs foreground questions? If so, this would obviously be a =
background question.'

Sackett et al (2000) characterizes background questions as 'who, what, =
where, when, why and how' questions. This fits with qualitative =
questions. And qualitative research can provide good background =
information to inform systematic reveiw protocols.The  Cochrane =
Qualitative Research Methods Group is working on this now.=20
=20
Best wishes
Janet=20


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Fra: Evidence based health (EBH) p=E5 vegne av Craig Lockwood
Sendt: s=F8 22.02.2009 23:33
Til: [log in to unmask]
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Dear All,
I have some affinity with the PICO format, its great in that existing =
familiarity can assist with the teaching process, and with some =
adaptation, I use the same approach for qualitative reviews.=20
In usage, PICO becomes
P     Population
I       phenomena of Interest
Co  Context


The phenomena of interest being (in a phenomenological example) the =
lived experience. =20

The question in action might look like

"What is the lived experience of younger, disabled people residing in =
long term care environments for older adults?"

The population being younger people with a  disability, the phenomena of =
interest being their experiences and the context being that they are =
living in an environment  designed for older adults not living =
independently. =20

This is the format I use for teaching question development for =
qualitative systematic review titles also; although I don't know of any =
published reviews that describe their process of question development =
that report using this approach.

Kind regards
Craig



Craig Lockwood
Associate Director / Research & Innovation
The Joanna Briggs Institute
Royal Adelaide Hospital
North Terrace
Adelaide, South Australia 5000

p: +61 8 8303 4880       =20
f:  +61 8 8303 8280=20

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From: Ornissa Naidoo <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:16:43 +1000
To: "[log in to unmask]" =
<[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SV: Qualitative research and PICO

Greetings
Very interesting debate,
Yes I tend to use PICO,
I agree with Janet:
P: Parents
I:  Is not a manipulated intervention, but rather an event that occurs=20

Hence I would use it as follows:
P- Parents of preschool children who are acutely ill
I- Parents beliefs/concerns
C- Nil
O- ( Not sure what you would eventually hope to achieve with the =
information for eg:)
  - Less stressed patients of acutely ill preschool children ....
=20
Hope this helps
Kind regards=20
Ornissa Naidoo=20


  
"k.hopayian" <[log in to unmask]> 23/02/2009 7:15 am >>>
        
Hello Janet,
Thanks for that. Yes, Booth and Brice?s SPICE structure does seem well =
suited although it was developed with information services/librarians? =
situation in mind. May I bounce back a few things for you to consider?
1 In teaching, it is good to have consistency so before accepting a new =
tool, I would want to be sure that the old one has more disadvantages =
than advantages (your ref to shoe horning points to a disadvantage).
2 PICO of course is not just for interventions, it works with diagnostic =
and prognostic questions too (its suitability as an acronym has been =
debated here before)
3 I think the Evaluation in SPICE as used below should actually be the =
parents? beliefs and concerns about children becoming ill ? these are =
the results.=20

Kev

Dr Kev (Kevork) Hopayian MD FRCGP
GP Tutor
Postgraduate Medical Centre
Ipswich Hospital
Ipswich
Suffolk

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	Hi Kev
=09
	PICO is good when you want to compare interventions and outcomes but =
it's difficult to shoehorn qulaitative questions into this format.. =
Qualitative questions explore perceptions of health issues, attitudes =
toward interventions, experiences with interventions, and acceptability =
of outcomes. They may compare diverse views and experiences across =
different people but the comparison isn't manipulated by putting people =
into different groups.=20
=09
	An alternative format suggested b  Booth & Brice (2003)  is SPICE=20
	Setting: of the research
	Perspective: of those who are experiencing the intervention or the =
situation of interest
	Intervention/Phenomena of Interest: the intervention or the phenomenon =
that is being experienced
	Comparison: may be with those who do not receive the intervention or =
experience the phenomenon
	Evaluation. What is being explored or evaluated in the study
=09
	Going back to your article, it could be formatted like this:=20
=09
=09
	S:  Disadvantaged inner city community
	P: Parents =20
	I:  Acutely ill preschool children=20
	C:  None
	E: .Coping when young children become acutely ill
	=20
	All elements are not always present - it depends on the question.  =20
	=20
	You could alternatively formulate it as a PO, PI or PIO keeping in mind =
that your definitions for PIO are a bit different e.g.
	P: Parents
	I:  Is not a manipulated intervention, but rather an event that occurs =
- acute illness in preschool children
	=20
	Hope that helps.
	=20
	Best wishes
	Janet
	=20
	Janet Harris
	Associate Professor
	University College Bergen
	Centre for Evidence Based Practice
	M?llandahlsveien 6
	Bergen 5009
	Norway
	              =20
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=09
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	Fra: Evidence based health (EBH) p? vegne av Padmanabhan badrinath
	Sendt: s? 22.02.2009 16:17
	Til: [log in to unmask] =
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	Emne: Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT & CASP checklists
=09
	Dear Kev,
=09
	A very good afternoon and early spring greetings from the East of =
Englnd.
=09
	A quick look at the CASP worksheets for the RCT and qualitative =
desingns shows that first question is very different.=20
	CASP checklist for RCT available at
	http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/rct appraisal tool.pdf=20
=09
	The first question is:=20
=09
	Did the study ask a clearly-focused question?=20
=09
	Consider if the question is ?focused? in terms of:=20
	? the population studied=20
	? the intervention given=20
	? the outcomes considered
=09
	CASP checklist for qualitative study available at=20
	http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/Qualitative Appraisal Tool.pdf=20
=09
	The first question is:
=09
	Was there a clear statement of the aims of the research?=20
=09
	Consider:=20
	? what the goal of the research was=20
	? why it is important=20
	? its relevance
=09
	It appears that the PICO format is more suited for therapy questions.=20
=09
	You might also find this paper by Huang et al of interest.=20
=09
	Evaluation of PICO as a Knowledge Representation for Clinical Questions
	http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D1839740=20
=09
	"Our study shows that the PICO framework is best suited for =
representing therapy questions, and considerably less-suited for =
diagnosis, etiology, and prognosis questions. In some cases, it is =
difficult to encode certain question classes without modifying the =
existing PICO structure or introducing counterintuitive elements. Given =
that the PICO framework is a well-established tool for formulating =
clinical queries, any limitations of the framework itself could =
potentially impact the quality of clinical evidence retrieved under its =
guidance. This study reveals a number of challenges associated with PICO =
analysis, which will serve as a basis for refining the principles of =
clinical query formulation".
=09
	Warm regards & very best wishes,
=09
	Badri
=09
	Dr P Badrinath MD BS M.Phil MPH FFPH PhD (Cantab) Consultant in Public =
Health Medicine & Affiliated Clinical Lecturer Suffolk PCT & University =
of Cambridge Rushbrook house, Paper mill lane, Bramford, Ipswich, IP8 =
4DE, Suffolk, UK http://myprofile.cos.com/badrishanthi=20
=09
=09
	=20
	> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:08:25 +0000
	> From: [log in to unmask] =
[log in to unmask]"><about:[log in to unmask]>=20
	> Subject: Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT
	> To: [log in to unmask] =
[log in to unmask]"><about:[log in to unmask]>=20
	>=20
	> Does anyone have experience of setting the research question in a
	> qualitative study into the PIO or PICO or PECOT format? It seems =
possible to
	> do so but I have not seen it done.
	> P is easy to identify but the E or I and O less so. There is =
sometimes a C
	> but more often not.
	> For example, in a study "To identify and explore parents' concerns =
when
	> preschool children become acutely ill."
	> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7063/983
	> P =3D parents' of preschool children
	> E or I =3D children develop an acute illness (note - this does not =
imply the
	> children have acute illness during the study, rather the parents =
consider
	> their experience)
	> O =3D their beliefs and concerns.
	> So it can be done but my questions to the group are:
	> 1 Any views on using PIO/PICO in this situation? Does it add anything =
of
	> value to our appreciation of the paper over and above a narrative =
expression
	> of the research question (as in the title above)?
	> 2 Do you have experience of doing so? Could you tell us more?
	> --=20
	> B/W, Kev Hopayian
=09
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All,<BR>I have some affinity with the PICO format, its great in that =
existing familiarity can assist with the teaching process, and with some =
adaptation, I use the same approach for qualitative reviews. <BR>In =
usage, PICO becomes<BR>P &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<U>Population<BR></U>I =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;phenomena of <U>Interest<BR></U>Co =
&nbsp;<U>Context<BR></U><BR><BR>The phenomena of interest being (in a =
phenomenological example) the lived experience. &nbsp;<BR><BR>The =
question in action might look like<BR><BR>&#8220;What is the lived =
experience of younger, disabled people residing in long term care =
environments for older adults?&#8221;<BR><BR>The population being =
younger people with a &nbsp;disability, the phenomena of interest being =
their experiences and the context being that they are living in an =
environment &nbsp;designed for older adults not living independently. =
&nbsp;<BR><BR>This is the format I use for teaching question development =
for qualitative systematic review titles also; although I don&#8217;t =
know of any published reviews that describe their process of question =
development that report using this approach.<BR><BR>Kind =
regards<BR>Craig<BR><BR><B><BR><BR>Craig Lockwood<BR></B>Associate =
Director / Research &amp; Innovation<BR>The Joanna Briggs =
Institute<BR>Royal Adelaide Hospital<BR>North Terrace<BR>Adelaide, South =
Australia 5000<BR><BR>p: +61 8 8303 4880 =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>f: &nbsp;+61 8 8303 8280 =
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<B>From: </B>Ornissa Naidoo =
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Naidoo &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<BR><B>Date: </B>Mon, 23 =
Feb 2009 08:16:43 +1000<BR><B>To: =
</B>"[log in to unmask]" =
&lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: SV: =
Qualitative research and PICO<BR><BR>Greetings<BR>Very interesting =
debate,<BR>Yes I tend to use PICO,<BR>I agree with =
Janet:<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT =
face=3DArial>P: Parents<BR>I: &nbsp;Is not a manipulated intervention, =
but rather an event that occurs <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Century =
Gothic"><BR>Hence I would use it as follows:<BR>P- Parents of preschool =
children who are acutely ill<BR>I- Parents beliefs/concerns<BR>C- =
Nil<BR>O- ( Not sure what you would eventually hope to achieve with the =
information for eg:)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;- Less stressed patients of acutely =
ill preschool children ....<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Hope this helps<BR>Kind regards =
<BR>Ornissa Naidoo <BR><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; "k.hopayian" =
&lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; 23/02/2009 7:15 am =
&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3D"Times, Times =
New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px">Hello Janet,<BR>Thanks for =
that. Yes, Booth and Brice&#65533;s SPICE structure does seem well =
suited although it was developed with information =
services/librarians&#65533; situation in mind. May I bounce back a few =
things for you to consider?<BR>1 In teaching, it is good to have =
consistency so before accepting a new tool, I would want to be sure that =
the old one has more disadvantages than advantages (your ref to shoe =
horning points to a disadvantage).<BR>2 PICO of course is not just for =
interventions, it works with diagnostic and prognostic questions too =
(its suitability as an acronym has been debated here before)<BR>3 I =
think the Evaluation in SPICE as used below should actually be the =
parents&#65533; beliefs and concerns about children becoming ill =
&#65533; these are the results. <BR><BR>Kev<BR><BR>Dr Kev (Kevork) =
Hopayian MD FRCGP<BR>GP Tutor<BR>Postgraduate Medical Centre<BR>Ipswich =
Hospital<BR>Ipswich<BR>Suffolk<BR><BR>-------on 22/02/2009 17:59, Janet =
Harris at [log in to unmask] &lt;[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]&gt; =
&nbsp;wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT>=0A=
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D5><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px"><FONT =
face=3DArial>Hi Kev<BR></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D4><FONT =
face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT =
face=3DArial>PICO is good when you want to compare interventions and =
outcomes but it's difficult to shoehorn qulaitative questions into this =
format.. Qualitative questions explore perceptions of health issues, =
attitudes toward interventions, experiences with interventions, and =
acceptability of outcomes. They may compare diverse views and =
experiences across different people but the comparison isn't manipulated =
by putting people into different groups. <BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>An =
alternative format suggested b &nbsp;Booth &amp; Brice (2003) &nbsp;is =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3D"Times, Times New =
Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px">SPICE <BR>Setting: of the =
research<BR>Perspective: of those who are experiencing the intervention =
or the situation of interest<BR>Intervention/Phenomena of Interest: the =
intervention or the phenomenon that is being experienced<BR>Comparison: =
may be with those who do not receive the intervention or experience the =
phenomenon<BR>Evaluation. What is being explored or evaluated in the =
study<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D4><FONT face=3D"Verdana, =
Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
13px"><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3D"Times, Times =
New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px">Going back to your article, =
it could be formatted like this: <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
size=3D4><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR><BR>S: =
&nbsp;Disadvantaged inner city community<BR>P: Parents &nbsp;<BR>I: =
&nbsp;Acutely ill preschool children <BR>C: &nbsp;None<BR>E: .Coping =
when young children become acutely ill<BR>&nbsp;<BR>All elements are not =
always present - it depends on the question. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>You could alternatively formulate it as a PO, =
PI or PIO keeping in mind that your definitions for PIO are a bit =
different e.g.<BR>P: Parents<BR>I: &nbsp;Is not a manipulated =
intervention, but rather an event that occurs - acute illness in =
preschool children<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Hope that helps.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Best =
wishes<BR>Janet<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Janet Harris<BR>Associate =
Professor<BR>University College Bergen<BR>Centre for Evidence Based =
Practice<BR>M&#65533;llandahlsveien 6<BR>Bergen =
5009<BR>Norway<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D5><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px"><B>Fra:</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D4><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"> Evidence =
based health (EBH) p&#65533; vegne av Padmanabhan =
badrinath<BR><B>Sendt:</B> s&#65533; 22.02.2009 16:17<BR><B>Til:</B> =
[log in to unmask] =
&lt;[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]&gt; <BR><B>Emne:</B> =
Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT &amp; CASP =
checklists<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D4><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px"><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Dear Kev,<BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>A very =
good afternoon and early spring greetings from the East of =
Englnd.<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>A quick look at the CASP worksheets =
for the RCT and qualitative desingns shows that first question is very =
different. <BR>CASP checklist for RCT available at<BR><A =
href=3D"http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/rct">http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_=
Links/rct</A> appraisal tool.pdf <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, =
Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>The first question is: =
<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>Did the study ask a clearly-focused question? =
<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial><I>Consider if the question is &#65533;focused&#65533; in =
terms of: <BR>&#65533; the population studied <BR>&#65533; the =
intervention given <BR>&#65533; the outcomes =
considered<BR></I></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>CASP checklist for qualitative =
study available at <BR><A =
href=3D"http://www.phru.nhs.uk/Doc_Links/Qualitative">http://www.phru.nhs=
.uk/Doc_Links/Qualitative</A> Appraisal Tool.pdf <BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>The =
first question is:<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Was there a clear statement of the =
aims of the research? <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><I>Consider: <BR>&#65533; what the =
goal of the research was <BR>&#65533; why it is important <BR>&#65533; =
its relevance<BR></I></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>It appears that the PICO format is =
more suited for therapy questions. <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, =
Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>You might also find this =
paper by Huang et al of interest. <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, =
Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Evaluation of PICO as a =
Knowledge Representation for Clinical Questions<BR><A =
href=3D"http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D18397=
40">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D1839740</=
A> <BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>"Our study shows that the PICO framework is best suited for =
representing therapy questions, and considerably less-suited for =
diagnosis, etiology, and prognosis questions. In some cases, it is =
difficult to encode certain question classes without modifying the =
existing PICO structure or introducing counterintuitive elements. Given =
that the PICO framework is a well-established tool for formulating =
clinical queries, any limitations of the framework itself could =
potentially impact the quality of clinical evidence retrieved under its =
guidance. This study reveals a number of challenges associated with PICO =
analysis, which will serve as a basis for refining the principles of =
clinical query formulation".<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Warm regards &amp; very best =
wishes,<BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, =
Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Badri<BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Dr P Badrinath MD BS M.Phil MPH =
FFPH PhD (Cantab) Consultant in Public Health Medicine &amp; Affiliated =
Clinical Lecturer Suffolk PCT &amp; University of Cambridge Rushbrook =
house, Paper mill lane, Bramford, Ipswich, IP8 4DE, Suffolk, UK <A =
href=3D"http://myprofile.cos.com/badrishanthi">http://myprofile.cos.com/b=
adrishanthi</A> <BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;<BR>&gt; Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 =
10:08:25 +0000<BR>&gt; From: [log in to unmask] =
&lt;[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]&gt; <BR>&gt; Subject: =
Qualitative research and PICO or PECOT<BR>&gt; To: =
[log in to unmask] =
&lt;[log in to unmask]>">about:[log in to unmask]&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Does anyone have experience of setting the research question in =
a<BR>&gt; qualitative study into the PIO or PICO or PECOT format? It =
seems possible to<BR>&gt; do so but I have not seen it done.<BR>&gt; P =
is easy to identify but the E or I and O less so. There is sometimes a =
C<BR>&gt; but more often not.<BR>&gt; For example, in a study "To =
identify and explore parents' concerns when<BR>&gt; preschool children =
become acutely ill."<BR>&gt; <A =
href=3D"http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7063/983">http://www.bmj.=
com/cgi/content/full/313/7063/983</A><BR>&gt; P =3D parents' of =
preschool children<BR>&gt; E or I =3D children develop an acute illness =
(note - this does not imply the<BR>&gt; children have acute illness =
during the study, rather the parents consider<BR>&gt; their =
experience)<BR>&gt; O =3D their beliefs and concerns.<BR>&gt; So it can =
be done but my questions to the group are:<BR>&gt; 1 Any views on using =
PIO/PICO in this situation? Does it add anything of<BR>&gt; value to our =
appreciation of the paper over and above a narrative expression<BR>&gt; =
of the research question (as in the title above)?<BR>&gt; 2 Do you have =
experience of doing so? Could you tell us more?<BR>&gt; -- <BR>&gt; B/W, =
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Date:    Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:01:28 -0500
From:    Jim Walker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Basic question about diagnostic versus prognostic studies

One dimension of difference is clinician intent:
A diagnostic test is ordered to establish the probabilities of a group of=
 candidate physiologic processes.
A prognostic test is ordered to establish the probabilities of candidate =
courses of the disease process.

Many tests satisfy both intentions and may be ordered with either single =
intention or combining the two.

Jim

James M. Walker, MD, FACP
Chief Health Information Officer
Geisinger Health System
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If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to =
understand it.
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Steve Simon <[log in to unmask]> 2/20/2009 2:21 PM >>>
        
Maybe this is a stupid question, but here goes.

What is the difference between a diagnostic study and a prognostic=20
study? Is it that diagnostic study examines one of more factors that can=20
help identify an already existing condition whereas a prognostic study=20
examines one of more factors that can predict a future condition? Is it=20
that diagnosis is targeted towards something bad (disease) while=20
prognosis is targeted towards something good (recovery)? Or is it=20
something else?
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