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Hi Caroline, Given that the OTO's MoE initiations are 6 in number (or 5.5 if one takes the Prince of Jerusalem at the same time as IV*) v. Gardnerian's 3 initiations, there isn't a one-to-one correspondence between them. I'd be very interested in hearing Melissa Harrington's views on the subject. Thank you, Felicia Swayne-Heidrick On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Caroline Tully wrote: > Hi Felicia, I don't think the Gardnerian initiations are anything at > all like "straight out of the OTO's Man of Earth initiations" as you > suggest. The OTO's 1st and 2nd are very different to Wicca's 1st and > 2nd, and the Gard 3rd degree is , if anything, like Crowley's Gnostic > Mass, certainly nothing like the OTO 3rd degree. > > ~Caroline Tully.