Phil/Crispin, Whilst I agree that the existing Object Materials Thesaurus is not brilliant (no term for pipe clay for example, as well as the quandry over ceramic building materials), I for one wouldn't want to use the 'Main Materials' Thesaurus for recording finds...we wouldn't be able to use pottery, bone, silver, gold etc etc. I think that we would be in a far worse position and faced with having to replace loads more terms than at present! I'm currently using 'Pottery' as the material to record fired clay tiles and 'Clay' for bricks. Julia Julia Wise Sites and Monuments Record Officer County Archaeological Service Planning and Environment Buckinghamshire County Council County Hall Aylesbury Bucks HP20 1UY Tel: 01296 382072 Fax: 01296 382823 E-mail: [log in to unmask] http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/archaeology/index.htm http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/countryside/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Crispin Flower Sent: 14 November 2006 15:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!! Hi Phil Until such time as the materials thesaurus is sorted out, should we advise HBSMR users to convert their object recording to use the 'main materials' thesaurus? HBSMR lets people re-wire parts of the recording system to use different thesaurus classes when you upgrade from one thesaurus release to the next, and re-code terms etc where necessary - but I wouldn't want to advise this if the materials thesaurus will be sorted out soon. bw Crispin _____ From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil Sent: 14 November 2006 15:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!! Hi Helen, I've worked out what the problem is. I assume you're using HBSMR. We, EH, use 'main materials' and 'covering materials' thesauri and CERAMIC is in both. Although we supply Object Material we don't actually use it and it's very old, ie. it predates anyone currently working for DSU. No problem with TILE or ROMAN, just with ROMAN TILE. I think what you're trying to record is a TILE dating to the ROMAN period as opposed to a ROMAN TILE See http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus_term.asp?thes_no=129 <http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus_term.asp?thes_no=129&term _no=98157> &term_no=98157 Hope this makes it slightly clearer. We are in the process of revisiting our materials thesauri and looking at amalgamating terms from the BM materials thesaurus but it'll be a while before we can make it available. Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ Visit our Web Site : http://www.buckscc.gov.uk **** Buckinghamshire County Council E-mail Disclaimer ******** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, the use of the information by disclosure, copying or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at [log in to unmask] This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for content and for the presence of computer viruses. **** End of Disclaimer ***************************************