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Caelum, I've not read Weber myself, but whatever influence he's talking about would have to have happened well before Snorri (1200-ish), because the word 'wyrd' occurs repeatedly in Anglo-Saxon, including 'Beowulf'. I must say I was surprised to read about this in Simek, having always taken for granted that 'wyrd' was a Germanic idea. Jacqueline --- Caelum Rainieri <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Interesting. > > First, thanks to all who have contributed sources so > far. I truly appreciate your effort. > > Jacqueline, I think the issue is the > Christianization of sources around the time of > Snorri Sturluson and forward, and the dirth of > pre-Christian sources. It's the same problem I had > with primary Aztec sources as well. > > Caelum > > > jacqueline simpson <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Rudolf Simek's 'Dictionary of Northern > Mythology' > (1984 German edition, 1993 Eng transl) mentione a > book > by G.W.Weber 'Wyrd' (Bad Homburg, 1969). He writes > on > p. 374: "Weber has been able to show that the > expression 'wyrd' (which glosses Latin 'fortuna') is > unlikely tohand down heathen-Germanic thought, but > rather a medieval view of the world based on late > Classical-Christian beliefs, and therefore ought not > to be brought as evidence for a belief in fatalism > among Germanic peoples." > > Of course others may have contradicted Weber since. > > Jacqueline Simpson > > > > > > > > --- Caelum Rainieri wrote: > > > Can anyone point me to some good academic studies > on > > the Old Norse or Germanic meaning of Wyrd, and/or > > comparing it to the Greek interpretation of Fate? > > > > Thanks, > > Caelum > > > > > > ----------------------- > > The Occult Authors Market: > > www.lulu.com/blackpearlarts > > The Nahualli Animal Oracle: www.nahualli.com > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > > songs.Try it free. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning > in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > > ----------------------- > The Occult Authors Market: > www.lulu.com/blackpearlarts > The Nahualli Animal Oracle: www.nahualli.com > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs.Try it free. ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html