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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture The Cistercian example is indeed telling: thanks. Yes, John Crook's book is excellent. He takes good pictures, too! The processional markers in nave floors appear to have been commonplace, though none survive in England. They are recorded, for example, for many English cathedrals (Wells comes to mind), and many survived until the c18. Jon Cannon -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jim Bugslag Sent: 01 February 2006 19:08 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Touching sacred objects medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Have you ever wondered why a cathedral has a nave, and what that was used > for? > > > ideological reasons aside, i always assumed that it was to hold great masses > of folk, who assembled there especially on special feast days. One should not underestimate the importance of processions in naves. Particularly in monastic churches which, unlike cathedrals, were not absolutely required by definition to accommodate a lay congregation. There are, in particular, some quite long Cistercian naves, which would specifically not have had to accommodate any lay use. There are, I believe, in the pavement of the nave at Fountains in Yorkshire the remains of markers to aid the monks in stopping the procession before the rood screen before re-entering the choir. As for parochial involvement in monastic churches, I am more familiar with this from English examples, but there certainly was a movement in the later Middle Ages to provide the parish with a separate church, or at least a chapel attached to the outer nave wall, in order to separate parochial and monastic spaces, but if Saint-Hilaire is 12th-century in origin, this would be substantially earlier than any example I know of in England. Surely the cartulary of Saint-Pierre would be helpful in determining whether there was a parish attached to the abbey church. Cheers, Jim Bugslag ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html