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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture There is a way to describe them. It's stated well below :-)) MG >From: John Wickstrom <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [M-R] Canonized Doctors of the Church >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:13:08 -0500 > >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >This is what I suspected was the case with Damien, but the phrase "never >canonized" rather than the more explicit "never formally canonized" threw >me >off. There ought to be a way to describe the status of individuals who were >widely venerated but were never formally "mentioned in the canon" in a >papal >liturgy. > >John B. Wickstrom >Department of History >Kalamazoo College >[log in to unmask] > >-----Original Message----- >From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious >culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Marjorie >Greene >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:25 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [M-R] Canonized Doctors of the Church > >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >Wrong again, MG! Bruno also was never formally canonized. (Well, I was >right >about the date...) >Catholic.org (if we can trust that site) says this: >"Canonization, the process the Church uses to name a saint, has only been >used since the tenth century. For hundreds of years, starting with the >first >martyrs of the early Church, saints were chosen by public acclaim. Though >this was a more democratic way to recognize saints, some saints' stories >were distorted by legend and some never existed." >MG > > > >From: Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > > culture <[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: [M-R] Canonized Doctors of the Church > >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:18:43 -0700 > > > >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > >The response to this question would depend on the answer to another: when > >did formal canonization arise? I wasn't able to determine this by >glancing > >through the dreaded CE on line. The Big Four were probably never >"formally > >canonized" either. I had it in my head that the first "formally >canonized" > >saint was produced sometime in the 10th or 11th c. In fact Saint Bruno > >springs to mind. But that may be the mind's fault. > >MG > > > > > > > >Is there any other example of a > >>non-canonized doctor of the church? > >>jbw > >> > >>John B. Wickstrom > >>Department of History > >>Kalamazoo College > >>[log in to unmask] > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > >>culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Phyllis > >>Jestice > >>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:49 PM > >>To: [log in to unmask] > >>Subject: [M-R] saints of the day 21. February > >> > >>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >culture > >> > >>Today (21. February) is the feast day of: > >> > >>Eustathius (d. c. 338) Eustathius was a Pamphylian who became bishop > >>of Beroea (Syria) and in c. 324 was promoted to the see of Antioch. > >>He was a vigorous opponent of the Arians, which got him deposed in > >>330 and banished to Thrace. > >> > >>Germanus of Grandval (d. c. 667) Germanus became a monk at > >>Remiremont and then at Luxeuil. Some years later, the abbot sent G > >>on to serve as first abbot of Grandval. He got into a disagreement > >>with the local duke, who liked to plunder the three monasteries under > >>G's care---one of the duke's soldiers ran G. through with a lance. > >> > >>George of Amastris (d. c. 825) George was born near Amastris (on the > >>Black Sea). He trained as a hermit, went on to a monastery, and was > >>elected bishop of Amastris. G. refused the job, but was carried off > >>by force. > >> > >>Peter Damian (d. 1072) My source calls PD "This prophetic figure of > >>the medieval Church"; I confess that I've always found him more than > >>a little judgmental and annoying. Peter Damian studied law, then > >>went and became a monk at Fonte Avellana, where he soon became prior > >>and founded several other communities. He got involved in papal > >>politics and the reform movement, becoming cardinal-bishop of Ostia > >>in 1057. PD worked to suppress local liturgies, organized the > >>Camaldolese order, reacted against secular learning (grammar, by the > >>way, is the work of the devil), advocated a desert spirituality, etc. > >>He is perhaps the most accessible figure of the eleventh century, > >>since we have (in the modern editions) four large volumes of his > >>letters and treatises, a volume of sermons, and several > >>hagiographical works. PD was never canonized but was declared a > >>doctor of the church in 1828. > >> > >>********************************************************************** > >>To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > >>to: [log in to unmask] > >>To send a message to the list, address it to: > >>[log in to unmask] > >>To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > >>to: [log in to unmask] > >>In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > >>[log in to unmask] > >>For further information, visit our web site: > >>http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > >> > >>********************************************************************** > >>To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > >>to: [log in to unmask] > >>To send a message to the list, address it to: > >>[log in to unmask] > >>To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > >>to: [log in to unmask] > >>In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > >>[log in to unmask] > >>For further information, visit our web site: > >>http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >On the road to retirement? 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