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But the point is that the editors of this text are on the same side as us. You've identified some more pressing targets for criticism. WIthin psychology there is plenty to criticise. I'm not advocating a ban on criticism within the CP community, but rather questioning what the priorities for critical, or better, constructive, activity should be. Mark On 6 Dec 2004, at 23:38, Paul@home wrote: > I am not sure that we should refrain from critique until we can come > up with something better. Mark, you are wonderful when you are > critically engaged, I would miss your input if you refrained, even for > a moment. > > Are you feeling the familiar retort to the critic - 'don't criticise > it if you can't fix it'? The counter is: 'well, you broke it, you fix > it'. Should we refrain from our criticism of the USA's and UK's > military occupation of Iraq because we haven't got a clear, fully > developed alternative to military occupation that is fully workable, > implementable and ethical? ... This was a strategy that the Cabinet > has sought to use to counter it's critics over the war on Iraq. No. We > can keep pointing out that the present military occupation is wrong so > as to encourage those who took 'us' into this war to rethink and come > up with an alternative ... > > For me being critical is like breathing. A prolonged pause is > asphyxiating. > > p > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Craig Newnes > Sent: 06 December 2004 21:03 To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] new CP text - some critical reflection > > > In a message dated 05/12/2004 16:59:41 GMT Standard Time, > [log in to unmask] writes: > I have some critical thoughts about, for example the orgnaisaing > framework Isaac uses in this book and elsewhere - it doesn't have > in my opinion an adequate understanding of society - but until I > have a proposal for something better, and I can put it down on > paper, I will refrain from critique and instead encourage people > to engage with it themselves. > > Well, we begin to move into a tricky area. My mum understands most > of what > Critical Psychology has to say by the simple process of being working > class brought up between the world wars amongst people with no jobs.. > She doesn't earn what I earn for talking about things (and writing). > She understands that you only get revolution by killing people and > that the middle classes baulk at that. So where does that leave us? We > can critique and critique. Does that change anything for most people? > And for us? We could critique Isaac's text. My mum simply doesn't know > who he is. But she knows that politicians lie. > Craig > ___________________________________ > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in > the UK. > To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems > or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] > > ___________________________________ > > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the > UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems > or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] > ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask]