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1)What exactly are the signals that Virtual Scanning scans
not answered

2)How does it do it?
not answered

3)What is the (theoretical and evidence based [not half references to
unobtainable or irrelevant articles, but your own simple explanations] )
relationship between these signals and colour?
not answered

4)What is the (theoretical and evidence based) relationship between these
signals and body health, not to mention dyslexia.
not answered

5)How, exactly (theoretical and evidence based) does the treatment work?
not answered

6)How much does your treatment cost (figures not descriptions e.g. "100"
not "really cheep , honest")
ANSWERED!!!! thank you.

7)What is your training/professional experience in the field?
Not Answered

8) will you be arranging independent double blind academic trials?
Answered!!!!!!  thankyou. 

Only six out of the eight to go. Go on.... keep going...

I'll happily drop the subject the second you've answered these questions properly or admited you can't. BTW Is this supposed to help your argument?: "One petite lady GP commented that she knew about Computational Neuroscience and what we were
demonstrating had not yet been invented!!!!!!!!". 
In my mind it certainly doesn't seem to. I know a little about neurology and a lot about computers and neural networks. What you say you are demonstaing is not possible! As explained by my previous email. But thats never stopped Paul Daniels sawing Debbie Mcgie in half, in front of a live ordience. You see the thing is, he does really do it.

I also note the frase "alternative medicine" popping in there. So if you're going to pull the "it just works by mystical forces" thing, I'm done discussing this, but I do know a good website on the superior medical knowledge of Yetis and the Little People.

Seriously, if you think I'm being unfare, simply answer the questions. You are baring the brunt of my frustration at so many other fuzzily define techniques that seem to make lots of money for a couple of folk, and knacker the lives of thousands of hopeful dyslexic individuals.

Please answer the questions. I'm happy to do a Paxman on this one.

Again, I don't have the time to get to my GP nevermind take part in your trials. Especially as I could probably tell most significant conditions that most people suffer from in 15 minutes of watching them and asking simple questions. What are the least common conditions that you can diagnose? If this is a lengthy list of rare conditions, and includes anything I might have, I may even be persuaded. But if its pointing out that I'm a smoker, I don't see this as proof of anything other than that you have a nose that works.

Please answer the questions above in turn, succinctly and without refering to other papers. Just give simple answers. An apology is waiting for you the second you give me the answers to the questions posed

Relentlessly,
Phil

Phil Teare
Artificial Relevance - Extraordinary solutions for extraordinary people!
http://www.Read-e.com
Free phone: 0800 8496760
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Ewing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning and its questionable claims


Phil/Andrew/Ian,

We will collaborate with anyone - within reason. We have offered to give a
FOC demonstration but this appears to be unacceptable. I can only conclude
that the manner of questioning is entirely negative which contrasts with the
entirely positive stance which we have taken.

Let me repeat that we will work with anyone - within reason - to justify the
Virtual Scanning technology. We have nothing to hide.

It is our intention, at some stage, to carry out double blind clinical
trials.  It is our objective to get Virtual Scanning used by every GP.
Cranfield University are happy to be involved (ref Professor Anthony
Woodman) but it will not happen overnight.

If you are contacting Arthur Caplan at Pennsylvania why not make contact
with Professor Karen Prestwood at The University of Connecticut whilst you
are at it. We travelled to Connecticut to give Karen a demo earlier this
year. Karen does a lot of work for the NIH and is interested to undertake
trials. She commented that this is by far the most advanced alternative
medical concept

Let me repeat the offer of a FOC trial.  It would seem appropriate to have a
neutral person, perhaps with an identified but secret medical condition -
choose something which we can all relate to e.g. asthma, heart condition,
perhaps a 40 a day smoker, diabetes, whatever - undertake the trial in the
presence of Phil.

I have previously answered 1-7 in previous correspondence and have noted
that all answers are dismissed.

For such savage critical treatment - it appears quite unusual that the
critic would not wish to see the system that he is criticising.

Why don't you contact the doctors of the diabetes clinic at Leicester
General Hospital? We gave a demo earlier this year to the diabetes journal
club. They gave us 15 minutes and we were there for 85 minutes. The nurses
loved it and the three GPs present sat and took in the demo. One petite lady
GP commented that she knew about Computational Neuroscience and what we were
demonstrating had not yet been invented!!!!!!!!

Our offer to you is entirely fair and reasonable.  Why don't all three of
you come along for a demo? We will undertake a health assessment for each of
you FOC and each of you can be the witness for the other. We usually charge
GBP135 for a health assessment and this is therefore a freebie offer of over
GBP400!

I think that it is time to give the issue a rest on the Dyslexia Forum web
site. It is time to move on.

I will be making a submission to the Parliamentary Committee re Reading
Disorders.

Best Regards,
Graham Ewing


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussions by and for dyslexic people
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Sent: 22 November 2004 20:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning and its questionable claims


Phil perhaps your stance is a little strong?

Graham could you possibly provide a verifiable expert to whom we could turn
for independant verification. I have mailed Pennsylvania University for
their coments I would love another source.

Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Teare" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning and its questionable claims


If you reply were an academic response (which it could have been) I'm afraid
you get 0/10. If it were supposed to be a layman's explanation, you get
0/10. I'm quite happy to test your resolve, and my own, in continuing ask
for answers to the fair and simple questions I and Ian have raised.

Or be seen as a charlatan. Its your choice. (there are some big players
listening BTW - not just potential punters)
Again I offer you the chance to redeem yourself in the eyes of those reading
this:

Please answer the following 8 questions one by one with one line answers, as
best you can (no quoting obscure Russians that we have no knowledge of, just
your own simple one line answers):

1)What exactly are the signals that Virtual Scanning scans?
2)How does it do it?
3)What is the (theoretical and evidence based [not half references to
unobtainable or irrelevant articles, but your own simple explanations] )
relationship between these signals and colour?
4)What is the (theoretical and evidence based) relationship between these
signals and body health, not to mention dyslexia.
5)How, exactly (theoretical and evidence based) does the treatment work?
6)How much does your treatment cost (figures not descriptions e.g. "100"
not "really cheep , honest")
7)What is your training/professional experience in the field?
8) will you be arranging independent double blind academic trials?

Number your answers if it helps.

As for what you obviously believe to be impressive academic backing of your
technique, described below, not a signal sentence in all of this lengthy
reply makes any sense what so ever. I remind you that most people on this
forum are very clued up on the subjects broach. With the possible exception
of A.I. techniques. Something I am an expert in, and can state quite clearly
that your explanations of, so far, have served only as further evidence to
my growing belief that you know NOTHING about neural network technology, and
learning algorithms. Please prove me wrong.

With unwavering resolve,
Phil Teare
Artificial Relevance - Extraordinary solutions for extraordinary people!
http://www.Read-e.com
Free phone: 0800 8496760
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Ewing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning and its questionable claims


Dear Phil,

I hope you enjoy this hugely interesting subject. You have tested my
resolve. I hope you enjoy the answer.

Virtual Scanning Technology

Introduction

Montague Diagnostics Limited was established to commercialise Virtual
Scanning Technology which was developed by a multidisciplinary team, led by
I.G.Grakov, at the University of Krasnoyarsk over the period 1986-1996.   It
is the first commercialised application which has arisen out of research in
the academic discipline which is referred to as Computational Neuroscience
or NeuroInformatics.  The development of this technology continues by Grakov
and is now used in over 250 medical institutes in Russia, Ukraine,
Kazakhstan, Israel, Bulgaria, Poland, etc.

It is a brilliant technology which quite frankly astonishes the academic and
medical communities by the astonishing claims for this technology.

To be able to diagnose all medical conditions in one interactive
computer-based test of only 20 minutes is a huge claim but to combine this
with the capability of being able to give the psychometric profile in the
same test - which if true this will have dramatic implications for the world
of psychology, enabling a move from subjective means of assessment to
objective means of assessment - and finally to claim that the same
technology could be used as the basis of a flashing light therapy!!!!!

What possible justification could there be for this technology?

Professor Arthur Caplan, Director of the Centre of Bioethics, at the
University of Pennsylvania created a storm when, in the New Scientist
(Aug/Sept 2003), he suggested that a new medical technology would be
developed which was capable of diagnosing and treating all medical
conditions.

Considering that GRAKOV's work has been established in Russia since 1996, is
it so unbelievable that someone in the US was prepared to venture such
comments!

Dyslexia

The condition which we refer to as Dyslexia is a category of neurological
disorders with biochemical basis which affect our ability to read and/or to
carry out a variety of tasks including reading, writing, calculation, etc.

Recognised symptoms are described in various terms e.g. wordblindness,
moving letters and text, inner-ear and balance disorders, concentration
problems, etc.

Researchers have commented upon a wide number of issues which are observed
in dyslexics including a small cerebellum, sleeping disorders, etc.

Dr Levinson has researched the inner-ear problems for many years. Inner-ear
problems are quite clearly associated with balance disorders which are being
addressed by the DDAT programme.

The University of East Anglia in collaboration with the Irlen Institute has
pioneered the development of the Intuitive Colorimeter which has been able
to identify precise deviations to colour perception in dyslexics.  This work
has been supported by Professor John Stein of Oxford University (and various
other workers) who has appeared on television to promote this approach.

The University of Nottingham has developed the Flashing Light therapy which
we recognise as Brightstar although this remains a highly controversial
technology.  Flashing light therapies are not knew. They have existed for
30-40 years and were initially referred to as 'photic stimulation' and
required that each patient manipulate the frequency of flashing to gain the
maximum therapeutic benefit. This approach gained little support from the
academic community and fell from favour until the 1990's. More recently,
arising from research in the US, further flashing light therapies have been
introduced although it is worth commenting that the FDA in the US are
considering introducing controls over these new technologies.   They
consider that the technology has its merits.

All of the above technologies and various text-based approaches promote
their products often to the detriment of other technologies and in this
respect we/MDL are no different from these other commercial ventures who are
passionately committed to their technology and to their financial success.
All technologies have been pioneered by those that have felt that there was
little to offer and that they had a positive contribution to make re the
treatment of dyslexia.

Many have benefited from these technologies and no doubt many more will
benefit from these technologies however the reality is that there is a
significant disparity between the claims and the benefits.

In reviewing these technology approaches we consider that there is something
positive in each of these approaches but we seek to differentiate between
those that are treating SYMPTOMS and those that are treating an underlying
neural CAUSE.  Moreover some of these approaches may offer benefits which
have a positive and perhaps also a negative influence.

ALL medical conditions have a fundamental biochemical basis and ALL
behavioural traits have a fundamental biochemical basis. If not, how do we
function?  We can consider the flow of biochemicals as the flow of
biochemicals or as the flow of data.  The key issue is to establish the
significance of the data and to establish the nature of the programmes which
process the data.

Dyslexia has a fundamental biochemical basis which is now proven by various
researchers.  No doubt the next step will be yet another drug to treat the
dyslexic symptoms but this is many years away!  The problem with seeking to
identify specific biochemical processes and to develop treatment regimes is
that this often presumes that the single process is responsible for the
symptoms which in a multivariable system is an absurd oversimplification of
the complex issues.

Each and every medical condition arise due to the person's genetic profile
and to the influence of the body to the influences of the external
environment i.e. stress-effects, which have an effect upon our health and
our behavioural profile.  We and our health are the sum of these effects and
this is illustrated by figure

Fig 1

SENSORY INPUT
from                 ========    EXTERNAL MATRIX     ========= BEHAVIOURAL
EXTERNAL
PREDISPOSITION
ENVIRONMENT




         INTERNAL MATRIX





                                    SENSORY INPUT from INTERNAL ENVIRONMENT

(which does not come across very well on an email - anyone wanting a  better
text should contact me on [log in to unmask])

The symptoms which are responsible for the medical condition Dyslexia arise
from the person's genetic profile and/or to events which have occurred to
them which have influenced their development.

As the use of omega-3&6 fish oils has a beneficial effect upon the health of
dyslexics and others with related disorders, we can conclude that the use of
these supplements is able to address some of the limitations which have
occurred as a result of the person's health profile.  This proves to some
extent that the brain has at some stage, probably during the person's early
development, been deprived of these components or of other similar
components and that this has been a contributory factor in the development
of the dyslexic condition.

We should consider therefore what are the relevant issues, the CAUSES, which
are responsible for the SYMPTOMS which we recognise and associate with
dyslexia and which are outlined earlier in this article.

The use of coloured lenses correctly identifies that colour perception can
be used as a treatment and has gained significant success by this approach
but there is little theoretical explanation for this concept.

The use of flashing lights is even more devoid of theoretical justification

despite coming from a University environment.

And balance therapies have even less theoretical justification.

Dyslexia affects each person differently therefore we must adopt a
person-specific approach which recognises the individual issues which affect
each dyslexic.

Virtual Scanning technology, an assessment AND treatment concept, uses a
combination of flashing light in combination with a selected sequence of
colours - so we have something in common with other therapeutic approaches.
It uses mathematical modeling techniques in a programme of research in the
academic discipline which is known as Computational Neuroscience. The first
step is to create the mathematical model of the person and then to compare
the reported results with the Virtual model. As each algorithm, which
reflects an intimate knowledge of the body systems, is standardized on each
medical condition it is possible to relate the results/deviations to
specific medical conditions. The technical director at Microsoft has advised
the likely changes which would arise as a result of computing technology.
An article in the Sunday Telegraph reported his comments 'you ain't seen
nothing yet' to describe the advances which he foresees as a result of
Microsoft research and development activities.  Virtual Scanning is just
such an example but is not from the Microsoft stable.

A person's colour perception is affected by each and every medical condition
and GRAKOV has been able to perfect the technology to quantify these results
and to relate this information to each and every biochemical process in the
body. This is expressed as the health assessment report. The results are
reported as a mathematical expression reflecting the development of the
pathological process or of the body's compensatory processes and not as a
level of a biochemical in the body.  The technology is not unique to
colour - the Hemi-Sync system is able to use a similar approach using sound
but this is hugely less sophisticated and is difficult to use. Grakov was
faced with the choice of light or sound, because he proved that the
principle works for both, but chose to work with light because it provides
the greatest amount of data.

If you consider in simplest terms that the programme is measuring a colour
deficiency then by reversing the approach and providing a precisely
calculated colour therapy it is possible to treat each and every medical
condition which has a somatic or psychosomatic basis.  The articles included
in our web site www.montague-diagnostics.co.uk illustrate quite clearly the
range of medical conditions which can be detected and the reported results
of therapy.

Equally if you give an incorrect therapy you can cause unexpected changes
e.g. by selecting different therapies you can keep someone awake - or put
them to sleep.

If you give someone coloured lenses then their condition will be stabilised
at that specific therapy but will not progress further. Moreover it limits
the colour spectrum which is absorbed through their eyes.

Virtual Scanning gives validity to all of the above technologies but also
gives credible reasons for their limitations.  For instance Flashing Light
therapies in principle adopt a similar approach to Virtual Scanning but
their inability to identify health conditions or to offer a treatment for
more than one condition indicates that their grasp of the theoretical
concept remains dramatically inferior to that of Grakov's work.  A
demonstration will confirm this claim.

Elena Ewing of Montague Diagnostics has established the health assessment of
patients in over 400 consultations. Elena Ewing is a qualified
opthalmologist (10 years experience), venereologist, dermatologist and was
married for 13 years to a leading and career-minded neurologist.  Her
knowledge of medicine is excellent and she practices as a Complementary
Medical Therapist in the UK.  Elena was Ural TV and Radio's equivalent to Dr
Hilary Jones for several years and appeared regularly on Ural TV to answer
medical queries.

The therapy is quite specific for the medical conditions and stimulates the
compensatory responses of the body which include the immune system. Reports
from Russia illustrate the increased levels of immunochemicals which arise
as a result of the therapy.  This is entirely consistent with the theory of
Brain Wave Synchronisation which is circulating in academic circles ref
Computational Neuroscience.

The current understanding is that the therapy is able to give concentrated
stimuli to specific elements of the immune system - in a manner which can be
considered similar to the brain's action during the delta sleep periods in
which the reparative processes take place.  There are some good articles on
the importance of sleep by Dr Neil Kavey, Director of the Sleep Disorder
Centre, New York which support these claims.

It is perceived, that the production of stress-chemicals in the body, by
accident (as a result of stress events) or by design (as a result of the
genetic profile) inhibits the production of Human Growth Hormone and other
immunochemicals. This has an inhibitory effect upon the neural development
and hence upon the interconnectivity, activity and operability of component
parts of the brain.  As adults we recognise this phenomena when unable to
think clearly as a result of 'having a stressful day'.  The cumulative
effect of stress  upon children, at the formative stages of their lives, can
be hugely more damaging.

The article by Vysochin reported in our web site (Yuri Vysochin is Russia's
pre-eminent sports physiologist and personally led the preparation of
Russian athletes for the 1980 Olympiad) illustrates by the use of various
diagnostic procedures the effect of Virtual Scanning technology on the
health and performance of normal patient population.

Another wonderfully illuminating article was published in the Scientific
American journal (August 2003) by Professor Bower and Parsons (professors at
UCLA).  Given the huge computing capability of the cerebellum it is
astonishing to note the lack of understanding of the role of the cerebellum.

We understand that a person with a cerebellum removed is able to continue
life and hence it is not considered essential..........  In due course the
role of the cerebellum as the primary sensory control mechanism will be
established. There is no other logical explanation for having such a
powerful organ in the brain.  Bower and Parsons are already leaning towards
this theory in their article and we wrote to them with our input following
the publication of their article.

Balance therapies address the problems with inadequate cerebellum
development or dysfunction and unstable gait, balance disorders, vertigo,
etc; are also symptoms of inner-ear problems.

We/Virtual Scanning can address any medical condition by a therapy which
tackles each brain wave state e.g. balance therapies address the beta-wave
state whereas colour and flashing-light therapies address the delta-wave
state.   If we consider the wider picture we will note that other therapies
address other brainwave states e.g. meditation addresses the alpha and theta
wave states, whilst hypnosis addresses the alpha wave states.  This is
explained by the interconnectivity of each of the brain wave states i.e that
the brain operates in a scanning mode and that each of the various brain
waves have different functions. This explains why all Complementary
therapies have an effect although, as with the various dyslexia treatments,
it also identifies their limitations.  Grakov has been able to understand
how the brain works i.e ref brain waves; and to devise Virtual Scanning
technology.

Now you wanted to know what it has been able to detect and what we have
treated. Firstly, the articles on our web site give good examples of the
detection and treatment of a significant number of medical conditions. If
dissatisfied with this information then contact us once again and we will
provide up to 12 articles written by independent medical institutes and
translated by ourselves.  We have had success in the treatment of asthma,
digestive problems, migraine, tinnitus, depression, dysarthria, and many
more medical conditions.

Our most notable success was of a gentleman, this time last year, who had
suffered a mild stroke - identified as dysarthria - and had been unable to
speak for 4.5 years. Six days after commencing treatment he phoned to speak
to us. If you wish we will ask him if he is willing to speak to you in order
to verify these claims. We have various patients who are willing to verify
our claims. The most recent success is of a lady with migraine.

The only question which remains is whether you now wish to witness a
demonstration.

If this fails to satisfy you then we must conclude that your comments are
intended to be destructive and have little intention of assisting the
treatment of dyslexics.

Best Regards,
Graham Ewing




-----Original Message-----
From: Discussions by and for dyslexic people
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Phil Teare
Sent: 22 November 2004 16:25
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Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning and its questionable claims


> ALL questions raised by yourself are adequately answered in our web site.

No, I'm afraid they are not. I've just tried to view your "explanatory"
demo. Very little was readable as the text was a poor quality image of tiny
text. Literally unreadable. The text that was legible was unintelligible.
The diagrams and over stylised graphics were only a distraction from the
text that I couldn't read.

Again, please explain the procedure as Ian and I have requested.

Again, I'm afraid I have not got the time to take part in trials. In all
honesty, the more you avoid these simple questions, the less I would be
inclined to take part even if I had the time. As it seems it would be a
waste of it.

Another simple question would be, is this a diagnostic tool or a treatment?
If both you'll need to explain, at the very least, the face validity of both
aspects, for most academics to be interested in conducting or taking part
trials.

Phil Teare
Artificial Relevance - Extraordinary solutions for extraordinary people!
http://www.Read-e.com
Free phone: 0800 8496760
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Ewing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning and its questionable claims


> Dear Phil,
>
> ALL questions raised by yourself are adequately answered in our web site.
>
> Please refer to the articles are included - which illustrate the nature
and
> detail of each report - and of examples of Migraine and Chronic fatigue
> Syndrome. We submitted 12 such case studies in our submission to the
> NHS-Health Technologies Assessment committee.
>
> We have demonstrated to academics in the US and have proven our claims, we
> have demonstrated to
> the European Medical association and have been invited to submit a dossier
> of information as part of a European project, we have the interest of the
> National Institute of Health in the US, we have given presentations to
> various specialist medical organisations in the UK and have consistently
> proven our claims.
>
> Let me repeat that YOU ARE INVITED TO A FREE OF CHARGE TRIAL. We have
> demonstrated the technology to various members of the Dyslexia
Associations
> in the UK and they will vouch for our claims.
>
> Let me repeat our willingness to travel and give a demonstration. To date
we
> have travelled to Connecticut, Brussels and Amsterdam as well as
throughout
> the UK to give demonstrations. These demonstrations have proven the
claims.
>
> It appears that we are willing to give a further demonstration to answer
> your criticims but you are unwilling to accept our offer.
>
> Please refer to the article by Professor Arthur Caplan, Director of the
> Centre of Bio-Ethics at University of Pennsyvania, which was published in
> the New Scientist last year. I believe that he argued, in the Aug/Sept
> editions, that such a computer-based technology was possible.  The
excellent
> discussion spilled over several months.
>
> Virtual Scanning is used in over 250 medical institutes in Russia.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> Graham Ewing
>