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Dear Ben (and the list)

 

Abstract:

 

We must integrate Usability and Accessibility into our approach to finding evidence on the internet.  This message contains links to some free resources for assessing Usability and Accessibility.

 

We couldn't agree more with your comment about using resources that are easy to use. 

 

Right across all sectors, there’s good evidence that the web resources that get used are, not surprisingly, the ones that are usable! Sites that have poor usability don't get used, and ultimately don't survive.

 

Evidence-based databases, in their efforts to meet concerns about quality of content, have overlooked this and are still unusable in everyday practice.

 

Quality information must be accessible and usable as well as reliable.

 

Good quality health information on the web needs to be:

1   Accessible,

2   Usable AND

3   Reliable (i.e. robustly Evidence-Based)

 

Sadly, a site which sacrifices 1 or 2 to maintain standards in area 3 won’t do as well as one that has performs well in 1 and 2 but is lousy in 3.

 

To see what we mean by Accessibility, Usability and Reliability, please consult these links:

·         Accessibility: http://www.minervation.com/accessibility

·         Usability: http://www.minervation.com/usability  

·         Reliability: http://www.minervation.com/reliability  

 

Where to start?

 

We think that a good first step is, as with EBM, to create a better understanding of what constitutes good usability and disseminate the skills for assessing it.

 

To this end, we've developed a suite of appraisal tools, called the LIDA tool, for assessing these three elements of web sites.  We've also provided an automated system for checking accessibility (i.e. whether web pages meet standards for disabled access and good coding practice). These resources can be accessed for free from http://www.minervation.com/validation.

 

We're currently validating the usability tool and hope to publish the findings soon.  We'd be delighted to receive feedback from list members who are interested in these issues.

 

How do we tell good evidence-based resources from bad?

 

If you ask a web information provider "Is your web content evidence-based", none of them will say "no", so how can we tell if they're really up to scratch?

 

We'd be really interested in hearing people's feedback on these tools, especially on how to approach this reliability question.  We think this needs to address both process and output.

 

In many cases, a questionable production process (the proverbial GP chained to a computer in a basement somewhere) will produce good quality output some of the time;  conversely, an apparently sound production process could end up creating poor quality information some of the time.

 

We think that it needs a combination of validating the production process and validating the content produced, but we’re not sure of the best way forward as yet. 

 

What about existing tools?

 

We felt that none of the existing appraisal approaches we've looked at (such as PREVNET, DISCERN or the HON code) adequately addresses the issues of usability and accessibility in enough detail. 

 

Also, existing approaches to usability and accessibility (testing on real life users) are too impractical for the evaluation of lots of sites and don't address the quality of content to the extent that we'd expect as EBHC specialists.

 

Declaration of Interest

 

Minervation is a company whose business is helping client organisations to build evidence-based web sites that are also usable and accessible.  

 

Best regards

 

Douglas Badenoch and Andre Tomlin

Directors, Minervation Ltd

Oxford Business Park North

Oxford, OX4 2JZ, United Kingdom

Tel:  +44 1865 487162

Fax:  +44 1865 481482

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Djulbegovic, Benjamin
Sent:
09 September 2004 16:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Google better than MEDLINE?! how about some Bayes??

 

Martin, in a response to your thought-provoking  idea (and to stimulate further discussion), I am arguing that the approach you illustrated is a classic case of what is known in decision-making literature on bias as "availability heuristics" [the probability of recall of information of interest is judged but the ease with which it can be assessed and not by its relevance or methodological rigor (="truth")]. Hence, you started your search with Uptodate (a resource which is better known for its excellent marketing than its critically-appraised content). This is not a criticism of what you have done- I do the same- it is just to show that we (i.e. EBM) is a long way from practicing what we are preaching: using time-consuming search to uncover reliable evidence is not happening even among us who are strong proponent of EBM. (For example, I have spent last several years cataloging high-quality evidence in oncology, and still am using resources such as Uptodate, since my database is relatively small to answer all my questions, and going routinely to PubMed is often a grueling exercise). Thus, in reality we are using whatever is available to us or we call consultants (which may or may not provide us a solid EBM advice, as we discussed it here several months ago).

would be interested in your further thoughts

ben

 

Benjamin Djulbegovic, MD,PhD

Professor of Oncology and Medicine

H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center & Research Institute

at the University of South Florida

Department of Interdisciplinary Oncology

SRB #4, Floor 4, Rm #24031 (Rm# West 31)

12902 Magnolia Drive

Tampa, FL 33612

 

Editor: Cancer Treatment Reviews (Evidence-based Oncology Section)

http://www.harcourt-international.com/journals/ctrv/

 

 

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-----Original Message-----

From: Martin Dawes, Dr. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:02 PM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: Google better than MEDLINE?! how about some Bayes??

 

 

What do you mean by the word "better"?

 

1. You have a question or several interlinked questions.

2. What is the probability that there is a published answer?

3. If the probability is low that an answer exists which database when

searched would be most likely to exclude an answer existing if your

search is negative.

4. If the probability is high that an answer exists which database would

be most likely to rule in that an answer exists (and provide the

answer).

 

So this morning I saw a woman with Sjogrens who was complaining of

gastritis.

Q1. Does sjogren's cause gastritis?

Q2. In a woman with Sjogren's what is the probability that the gastritis

is caused by Sjogren's?

 

The pre-search probability of an answer to Q1 and Q2 existing, as judged

by the resident and I, was moderate. I decided that if the answer to Q1

was not in a text book then the answer to Q2 & Q1 probably is not going

to exist as the syndrome is not new. I decided on Uptodate as an easy

reference. Q1 answer exists and is positive. Therefore Q2 probably

exists (the post search probability is higher than the pre search

probability) and I will now look on Medline.

 

A sub process of this approach is "which search terms include or exclude

an answer existing within certain databases".

 

Bayesian approaches to searching???

Anyone interested in developing this further??

 

Martin Dawes

Acknowledging a discussion with Pierre Pluye

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Chair Family Medicine

McGill University

515-517 Pine Avenue West

Montreal, Quebec

H2W 1S4

 

Canada

Tel 514 398 7375 ext 0227

Fax 514 398 4202

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Evidence based health (EBH)

[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Djulbegovic,

Benjamin

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:38 PM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: Google better than MEDLINE?!

 

Tanya, as strange as it seems to be, but some of my students have been

using Google and anecdotally they were able to locate certain types of

the studies sooner than using MEDLINE (PubMed). I actually wonder if

anyone compared Google with MEDLINE?

thanks for this timely message

best

ben

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Feddern, Tanya [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:30 PM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Google better than MEDLINE?!

 

 

***cross-posted***

Hello, everyone.  I'd like your thoughts on this.  I learned that

supposedly a Missouri occupational therapy professor, who's also an

author and journal editor, advocated using Google and Dogpile (instead

of MEDLINE) to find article citations for evidence-based practice.

Obviously, she doesn't know about the powerful features of specialized

literature databases such as the PubMed or Ovid software for searching

MEDLINE.  If she did, she wouldn't be using Google to find evidence for

patient care (nor suggesting this in an invited lecture).

Unfortunately, this idea is probably being picked up by others.

 

Have any of you heard of other respected faculty telling students and

healthcare professionals to use Google instead of MEDLINE?  How did you

address that?  Please feel free to forward this.  I will summarize to

the list(s). 

 

Take care,

 

Tanya

 

Tanya Feddern, MLIS, AHIP, MOT, OTR/L

http://www.geocities.com/nqiya/EBMbib.html

http://www.geocities.com/nqiya/index.html

Evidence-Based Medicine Assistant Professor; Reference & Education

Services

Librarian University of Miami School of Medicine, Louis Calder Memorial

Library

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