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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Which reminds me of the answer given by (IIRC) our (Church of England) University Chaplain in the '60s (when I was an undergraduate) to the question posed by a person from the Continent (of Europe): "Are you a Protestant or a Catholic?" To which he replied: " protestant, but not as you mean Protestant; and catholic, but not as you mean Catholic." [I use capitalisation to indicate tone of voice.] Remember that in the Nicene Creed which is used in the celebration of Holy Communion in the Book of Common Prayer, Anglicans until recently always said: "I believe in one Catholic and Apostolic Church." BMC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [M-R] "Catholic" as a word to date text > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > At 2:48 PM -0800 5/24/04, Terrill Heaps wrote: > >Henry VIII and the Continental (Protestant) Reformers did not use > >the word "catholic" > >in the same manner. Or, the word "protestant," for that matter. > >Remember, Henry was > >given the title "defender of the faith" (fidei defensor) by Pope Leo > >X, in 1521, > >because of Henry's book against Lutheranism. As long as Henry was > >alive, the Mass > >continued to be celebrated in Latin. By the way, in England the word > >"protestant" meant > >"Catholic but not papal," whereas on the Continent the word "protestant" meant > >non-Catholic. > > Hmmmmm. It's been suggested to me that if asked something like "What > sort of Christian are you?" -- and with sufficient explanation given > so that they understood what was being asked -- a late 16th-century > member of the Anglican communion would very likely have said, > "Catholic, of course: that is to say, English Catholic." > > Comments? > > Do we have any handy 16th-century citations of self-descriptions like this? > > It sounds rather like such a person could have described himself as > both "protestant" and "catholic" (but not Roman). A bit mind-boggling > to those used to the modern usages! > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | <[log in to unmask]> > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html