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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Al, Unfortunately for your dating purposes, the adjective "catholik" seems to have been borrowed into English from Latin well before the Reformation, (and of course it didn't originally have any sectarian connotations except perhaps to distinguish the "true" or "universal" faith from some heretical or schismatic version). The multi-volume Middle English Dictionary (Univ of. Michigan Press) cites more than half a dozen uses of the word (in various spellings) from the 14th and 15th centuries. The earliest citations there come from the Midland Prose Psalter, ca. 1350. Sherry Reames (English Dept., Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [M-R] "Catholic" as a word to date text > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > Al, > > I found it in the Oxford English Dictionary in an entry dated 1613 > withthat spelling. There are 5 earlier examples in Early English > BooksOnline: > > > Author: Edgeworth, Roger, d. 1560. > Title: Sermons very fruitfull, godly, and learned, preached and sette > foorth by Maister Roger Edgeworth, doctoure of diuinitie, canon of the > cathedrall churches of Sarisburie, Welles and Bristow, > residentiary in > the cathedrall churche of Welles, and chauncellour of the same > churche:with a repertorie or table, directinge to many notable > matters expressed > in the same sermons. > Publication date: Mense Septemb. Anno. 1557. > Search results: 1 match in full text > > Author: Knell, Thomas, fl. 1560-1581. > Title: An answer at large, to a most hereticall, trayterous, and > papisticall byll in English verse which was cast abrode in the > streetesof Northamton, and brought before the judges at the last > assizes there, > 1570. > Publication date: [1570] > Search results: 1 match in full text > > Author: Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. > Title: A brief discours contayning certayne reasons why Catholiques > refuse to goe to church. Written by a learned and vertuous man, to a > friend of his in England. And dedicated by I.H. to the Queenes most > excellent Maiestie. > Publication date: 1580. > Search results: 1 match in full text > > Title: The shepardes kalender. Here beginneth the kalender of > shepardesnewly augmented and corrected. > Publication date: [1570?]] > Search results: 1 match in full text > > Author: Southwell, Robert, Saint, 1561?-1595. > Title: An epistle of comfort to the reuerend priestes, & to the > honorable, worshipful, & other of the laye sort restrayned in durance > for the Catholicke fayth. > Publication date: 1587?] > Search results: 2 matches in full text > > Tom Izbicki > > Thomas Izbicki > Collection Development Coordinator > Eisenhower Library > Johns Hopkins > Baltimore, MD 21218 > (410)516-7173 > fax (410)516-8399 > > >>> [log in to unmask] 5/24/2004 5:54:54 AM >>> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > I am wondering whether I might use the word "catholycke" to help > date the composition of one section of an English chronicle. > > The quote with that term is from Hall's Chronicle, which was > largely composed from about 1530 and first published in 1548. > The context is that Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, has just > defeated and killed Richard III at Bosworth Field, August 22, > 1485. > > "When therle had thus obteigned victorie and slain his mortal > enemie, he kneled doune and rendred to almighty god his harty > thankes with deuout & Godly orisons, besechyng hys goodnes to > sende him grace to auaunce & defende the catholycke fayth & to > maintayn iustice & concord amongest his subiectes & people, by > God now to hys gouernauce committed & assigned." (Hall, 1550 > ed., Richard III chapter, fol. 34r; online at > http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=halle&PagePosition=645) > > A supporter of Henry VIII and the English Reformation, Hall > rarely uses specific terms like Catholic and Christian, and this > "catholycke" in his Richard III chapter sticks out as a possible > anachronism. Would anyone care to say that, or speculate > whether, the word helps to date the composition of this passage? > > Every little bit of such dating helps with this edition. > > Thanks, > Al Magary > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html