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Hi ana, ana: That a mailing list includes a literal transcription of what is posted in a forum (in this case, net art review), I guess it is ok. I happen to believe that it is ok. I see that Josephine's decision to copy/redistribute and place your text into this forum as a generous action - I percieve her manouver as a social, lateral act. And your name was mentioned as the person who had brought about its context orginally via Net Art Review, reflecting your own ideas around the subject. So, the function of her posting has served to open up the debate, widened the seemingly ever cloudy idea(s) of what a curator/exhibition organizer actually is, and your writing has contributed to this, which I believe is a good thing, for all concerned. I found your text to be informative - and I thank you for writing it, and I also thank J.Bosma in being generous to post it here...because before now, I was not aware of it. In regard to Harald Szeemann, he can call himself what he wants, like you say. People can (and do) reinteprete as they wish, but people should be able to define and redefine their own creative activity on their own terms first of all - then others can do what they wish in a cultural sense afterwards. And yes - Johannes posted a post that did not actually deal with the context of what your writing was trying to get across successfully, but I believe him when he says that he did not wish to offend - I did not see him as deliberately wishing to hurt you, unless there are agendas at work between the both of you which I might not be aware of, which is always a possibility. This is one the things that happens on lists - yet many would of read your text at the same time and thought mmm - there are some good points there... I would love other people to be posting my own writings/thoughts on my behalf (whatever reason) on a forum such as this, in a place where changes are instigated culturally - it happens more on other, less self-conscious lists. On here - people are perhaps more (self censoring) and aware of their careers, whcih of course can make things a little dry and less fluid. I prefer a bit more battling going on around ideas in respect of exploring concepts/creativity/politics - it can get a bit tense but the energy itself can help produce some very progressive discoveries for all concerend - which is great... much respect marc >Hello, > >That a mailing list includes a literal transcription of what is posted in a >forum (in this case, net art review), I guess it is ok. But then... when >those literal transcriptions are ridicularized like here with some abridged >online dictionary definitions, with the purpose of serving some undefinable >agendas... then this incestuous relationship across forums/mailing lists on >the same topic of interest is jeopardized. > >So I'll reserve my comments on a personal email to Johannes. Bottom line >being - i'm afraid Harald Szeemann calls himself whatever he wants >regardless of what Johannes thinks (or should i say - the Merriam >Webster)... > >Ana Boa-Ventura > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goebel, Johannes" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:03 AM >Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] exhibition producer > > >"Exhibition producer" - - - "Curator" > >Merriam-Webster online: > >Producer: >1: one that produces; especially: one that grows agricultural products or >manufactures crude materials into articles of use >... >3: a person who supervises or finances the production of a stage or screen >production or radio or television program >4: any of various organisms (as a green plant) which produce their own >organic compounds from simple precursors ... and many of which are food >sources for other organisms -- compare CONSUMER > >Curator: >Etymology: Latin, from curatus, past participle of curare to care, from cura >care >: one that has the care and superintendence of something; > > > > Johannes Goebel > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Josephine Bosma [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:24 AM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: exhibition producer > >>From netartreview.net > > >Now... that is a designation I like: Harald Szeemann, art >critic and historian, and curator for the exhibitions of >the Forum Barcelona 2004 calls himself an "exhibition >producer". With a curricuum that includes the direction of >Documenta 5 in Kassel, and of the 48th and 49th editions >of the Venice Biennale, Szeemann became known in the art >world as a symbol of the independent exhibition curator. > >There are four thematic exhibitions that present narratives >of cultural diversity, sustainable development and the >conditions for peace. The four themese/spaces are "Voices" >and "Cities - Corners" both at the Barcelona International >Convention Center, "Inhabiting the World" at the Viewpoint >Port and "Warriors of Xi'an" at the Sant Adrià (Moll del Parc). > >(...) > >by Ana Boa-Ventura > >