Kirsty, BT is only the distributor of a third-party's service (which you contracted into when you accepted the reverse-charge call). My sunday newspaper might be missing a section but I don't take it up with the paperboy/girl. I 'phone the newsagent. The policeman you spoke to is categorically wrong - the DPA does not prevent him from accessing subscriber details in the course of investigating a crime (this sort of thing is covered by the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000) but the callers probably used a callbox in which case you can only pin the call down to a time and place, not a particular subscriber (and then you couldn't be sure who was using the 'phone at that moment!) All BT is obliged to do is block that number from calling you in future. I think that's pretty fair, myself - having worked for BT and understanding the complexity of the issue. (Obviously my views are my own). Jo Archer Telecoms Research Engineer Mob; 07769 900156 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirsty E Gray <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [data-protection] British Telecom Premium Call Rate Scam I know why Antoinette feels aggrieved though - BT use the 'not us, we're only the middle man' excuse far too often. I received 0800 REVERSE call on a Sunday evening, heard the electronic voice announcing the call. Couldn't make out the name of the caller, but as I'm ex-directory and careful about who has my number, assumed it was someone I knew who needed to contact my urgently from a payphone and accepted the call. Two or more teenage boys screaming obscenities & making death threats. Hung up, dialled 1471 to get the number and rang the Police. Constable turned up half an hour later, gave me crime number and told me that he couldn't investigate as the DPA prevents getting subscriber details from BT. I asked him whether making death threats was a crime - he agreed and stated that so is making obscene calls, but that BT investigated these not the Police. Checked the 'white pages' - load of guff about how BT & Police work together to combat offensive calls and how BT work with subscribers to block / prevent repetition. Rang the number given, recorded message as service only available 10 - 5 from Mon to Fri, gave up! Realised when the bill came in I'd been charged almost 3 quid to be abused so wrote to BT to complain. Their response - they get paid a very small handling fee by 0800 REVERSE and the bulk of that charge on my bill is passed on, so I have to contact 0800 REVERSE direct for a refund. Too much effort / expense for £3 so gave up again - already further out of pocket for paper & ink & stamp! Kirsty E Gray Access to Information Advisor Commission for Social Care Inspection Note: comments for discussion and debate only and do not necessarily reflect the corporate position of CSCI nor constitute legal advice. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^