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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Thanks Margaret - yes I have been through all of Leroquais descriptions, including BN lat.1400. The interesting about this rubric is that it not is preceding the genuine 'Obsecro te' on fol.24, but is attached to an utterly poor paraphrase from the second half of the 15th cent. on fol.220v. At the end of the 15th c. was the rubric taking on a life of its own, and is often found out of context. Bonnie Blackburn has been so kind to send me a collection of related rubrics, and one of them is prefixed a common prayer on the seven last words on the cross! (The history of the rubric would make an excellent subject for an advanced student thesis). Datable occurrences of the prayer 'Obsecro te' around 1480 and especially prior are of importance. The sport is to trace it back to pope Innocenz IV with some degree of credibility. The phenomenon in general that somebody had a divine vision prior to their death is not so important - all dependent on the context. Mechtilde of Hackeborn was one of the pioneers, but her visions are too general to be connected (or directly having inspired) the actual question. Nothing comes out of thin air - but the times where all articles began with: "Already the ancient Egyptians...." has gone. I prefer to keep it tight on the issue, if possible. Thanks to all who contributed to the question. Have a nice Sunday. Best Erik At 17:04 +0100 15/02/03, Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote: >Dear Erik, > Perhaps you already have this reference. >"In a fifteenth-century Book of Hours (Bibliogh'eque Nationale de France, >MS lat 1400) >the user is informed "Quicumque dixerit aut super se portavit hanc >orationem sciet horam >sue et videbit virginem Mariam antequam moriatur ..." another from 1380 >apparently >says nothing about the appearing of the Virgin. >This info. is from footnote 51 on p. 215 of: >D.C. Skemer, "Amulet Rolls and Female Devotion in the Late Middle Ages" >Skriptorium 55 2001 pp 197-227. >Meg _____________________________________________________________________ Mag.art. Erik Drigsdahl CHD Center for Haandskriftstudier i Danmark Kapelvej 25B 3.tv Phone: +45 +35 37 20 47 DK-2200 Copenhagen N Email: <[log in to unmask]> DENMARK http://www.chd.dk ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html