medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture [log in to unmask] wrote: >A word of warning about using the Gallia Christiana for researching medieval diocesan boundaries. It is organized by 17th-century diocesan and archdiocesan boundaries, many of which differed from those of the Middle Ages. fair enough. >Chartres, for example, is listed in the Archdiocese of Paris rather than Sens... and, of course, about a third of the medieval diocese of C. had been excised in the 17th century to create the completely new diocese of Blois, which is reflected in the GC. as far as i know, the Pouillés (and, where they exist, modern maps drawn using them as a primary source) are the only sure source for determining, not just complete diocesan boundries, but also, equally useful on occasion, the interior subdivisions into archdeaconries, prevo^tés, rural deaconries, etc. as well as something of a sense of the relative "value"/importance of every parish. for example, here's an 1861 map of the diocese of Chartres-- as it existed before that of Bois was carved out of it in 1697-- drawn (i think) by Lucien Merlet, the archiviste of the departement, presumably based on the Pouillés which he was engaged in publishing as an appendix to his beautiful edition of the _Cartulaire de la Cathedrale de Notre-Dame de Chartres_: http://www.ariadne.org/centrechartraine/maps/1697map2.html (very slow to load, at 270k --i wanted to make the place names actually visible, and they *almost* are; but i need to figure out a better way to do that. the spirit is there, nonetheless, and i deserve an E for Effort.) among other things, one can see from this how *huge* the medieval diocese was, extending all the way from the Seine at Melun and Poissy in the North, to --in the archdeaconry of Blois ("Blesensis," down south)-- even beyond the Loire, touching the diocese of Bourges; and from beyond Dreux, in the West, almost to Etampes, in the East. the diocese of Paris is (delimited by the red line, not the yellow/gold one), modestly, less than half that of Chartres in total area. Merlet has confused things a bit, however, in drawing in the (1861) departemental boundries (in yellow --map key in the lower right), which, of course, have nothing to do with anything medieval whatever and have even changed somewhat since Merlet's day. the maps in the GC, though not nearly as detailed as this one, are probably based on the Pouillés to a certain extent, Jim's caveat still being applicable. caveat lector. best to all from here, christopher Caveat Emptor: Books on French Local History: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BooksBrowse?page=LOW&lowcatid=10637575 http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BooksBrowse?page=LOW&lowcatid=10623032 Religion & Theology: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BooksBrowse?page=LOW&lowcatid=10604308 Other Subjects: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BooksBrowse?vendorclientid=807329&page=CLIENT ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html