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 From Ep. LXX in PL vol. 100:

Omnino habeas in comitatu tuo prudentem dispensatorem, qui pauperum curam
sollicita pietate
provideat. Melius est pauperes edere de mensa tua, quam histriones vel
luxuriosos quoslibet.
Ebrietatem sectantes, beato Hieronymo dicente, quasi inferni foveam devita.
Duo mala sunt. Primum:
contra praeceptum Dei agere, qui ait: Cavete vos ab omni ebrietate et
crapula (Luc. XXI, 34).
Secundum: inde laudem quaerere, unde poenitentiam agere debuit. Beatus homo
qui non respicit in
vanitates et ad insanias falsas (Psal. XXXIX, 5). Insania est vestimentorum
pompa, et assidua
ebrietatis luxuria, propheta dicente: Vae vobis qui potentes estis ad
bibendum vinum, et viri fortes ad
miscendam ebrietatem (Isai. V, [Col. 0243C] 22). Qui his delectatur, ut
Salomon ait, non erit
sapiens (Prov. XX, 1). In te enim exemplum sit totius sobrietatis et
continentiae. Verba Dei legantur in
sacerdotali convivio. Ibi decet lectorem audire, non citharistam. Angusta
est domus; utrosque tenere
non poterit. Non vult rex coelestis cum paganis et perditis nominetenus
regibus communionem habere,
quia Rex ille aeternus regnat in coelis, ille paganus perditus plangit in
inferno: voces legentium audire in
domibus tuis, non ridentium turbam in plateis.

Tom Izbicki

At 10:20 AM 2/7/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
>The quote in question, although I can't provide a source at this moment, is:
>Quid Hinieldus cum Cristo?  Angusta est domus: utrosque tenere non poterit.
>Non vult rex caelestis cum paganis et perditis nomine tenus regibus
>communionem habere.  If no one else responds with the source, I'll look it
>up later, but I have to run to class.  This would be a pretty good job if it
>weren't for the students :-)
>
>Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.
>Department of English and Foreign Languages
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Tom Izbicki [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:35 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [M-R]
> >
> >
> >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion
> >and culture
> >
> >I tried the Patrologia Latina index without success.  Is there
> >another form
> >of the name Ingeld?
> >Tom Izbicki
> >
> >At 05:47 AM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion
> >and culture
> >>
> >>Related to this string, can anyone provide
> >>a precise reference in latin, english, or both,
> >>for the passage where Alcuin writes home to
> >>northumbria telling the monks to stop listening
> >>to inappropriate poetry in the refectory, because
> >>'what has Ingeld to do with Christ'?
> >>thanks in advance,
> >>meg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> >religion and culture
> >>
> >>>At 07:45 PM 2/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> >religion and culture
> >>>>
> >>>>Dear All,
> >>>>
> >>>>I just read the following account in a history of German theatre:
> >>>>
> >>>>During the time of Charles the Great the Histriones and
> >Joculatores had
> >>>>fallen
> >>>>into such disrepute that in the year 791 Alcuin, very
> >disturbed about the
> >>>>matter, exclaimed:  "Whoever admits Histriones, Mimists and
> >Dancers into his
> >>>>house has no idea what a multitide of unclean spirits will
> >follow them."
> >>>>
> >>>>Can anyone tell me more about this?  To my knowledge, very
> >little is known
> >>>>about performance of any kind during this period and this
> >is an intriguing
> >>>>lead.  Did Alcuin have more to say somewhere else?  Are
> >there other similar
> >>>>sources?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks.  yrs, tom ault
> >>
> >>
> >>>Not exactly about theatres, but the penitentials have strictures on
> >>>dancing.  See McNeill & Gamer, Medieval handbooks of penance
> >(Columbia UPr,
> >>>1938), pp. 273, 289, 333.
> >>
> >>>The last of these passages, from Burchard of Worms' Corrector, links
> >>>"diabolical songs" with danced invented by pagans.
> >>
> >>>Tom Izbicki
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Thomas M. Izbicki
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Johns Hopkins University
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