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As far as I can determine, no one is under any
monument. Never was. The Valois were dug up from where
the revolutionaries threw them (into a common pit) and
re-placed in the crypt. The Bourbons (including Louis
XVI and Marie-Antoinette, dug up from the old cemetery
of La Madeleine-but are those their remains?) were
placed in their "caveau," etc. What's interesting is
the manner in which Louis XVIII's people tried to
recreate the Middle Ages or at least the time of Henri
IV for his "pompes funèbres."
I had posed the question regarding two "jubés," and
every reference since has been to one. The writer of
the plural form of the word must indeed have meant
pulpit or something else.
MG
--- "Ms Brenda M. Cook" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion and culture
>
> > In fact, several people were brought back from
> various
> > venues, which could make life confusing for those
> who
> > didn't realize that, once buried, one could be
> > relocated, and several times at that.
>
> It is actually MUCH more complex than that ! If you
> are European and at home
> with the reformation, revolution and all the rest,
> you will know two things.
> One is that the location of a BODY and the location
> of a MEMORIAL are NOT
> necessarily the same thing!
>
> The zealots of the French Revolution had a nasty
> habit of smashing open
> aristocratic and royal tombs, grubbing up any
> skeletal remains and gleefully
> chucking the lot on the local rubbish tip. Sometimes
> early
> proto-archaeologists got a quick look-in and
> recorded the finds before they
> were disposed of. The masonry of the tombs was often
> smashed as well. With
> the restoration of the monarchy in the 19th c some
> attempts were made to put
> things back, but many bones had not been salvaged by
> the faithful and often
> the memorials were heavily restored not just in a
> different location in the
> original church but often in a different church if
> the original church had
> been demolished.
>
> St-Denys is a case in point. It is now a MUSEUM of
> royal funerary art, many
> of which memorials were originally over the bones in
> quite a different
> church. The SPLENDID collection of royal tombSTONES
> is well worth a visit,
> but there is ABSOLUTELY NO guarantee that the right
> corpse is under the
> right slab or indeed that there is any grave AT ALL
> under the monument.
>
> It sure will be fun at the General Resurrection of
> the Dead !!!!
>
> St D is also a cathedral - we've had a thread on
> this.
>
> Brenda M.C.
>
>
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