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Tony Derby requires completion. I wonder about those programmes that do not require completion. Where do they stand on 'progression and completion' from a QAA perspective? Anyway, isn't there a deep hypocrisy in giving your own staff a much softer ride on the pathway to professional competence than you would dare on those professional programmes you provide for professional bodies, including work-based? Especially work-based! Surely the excuses for non-completion, or long-drawn-out completion, on a work-based programme are even harder to swallow than on a 'conventional' part-time route. "Sorry, but I haven't really got time to reflect on the pedagogical issues concerning my teaching because I'm too busy teaching!" Chris ============================================ Professor Christopher O'Hagan Dean of Learning Development Centre for Educational Development and Media University of Derby Kedleston Road DERBY, DE22 1GB England Tel: +44 (0)1332 591255 (direct) Fax: +44 (0)1332 622772 Email: [log in to unmask] WWW: http://www.derby.ac.uk/cedm/ Are you a postmodern educationalist? Try the quiz at: http://www.derby.ac.uk/cedm/info/index.html Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you. Friedrich Nietzsche, in Beyond Good and Evil. ============================================