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I would like to pick up a couple of threads here... Dave proposes that there can be 'Art' residing in code itself. While Patrick asked … how does technology become transparent to the point where it is almost purely expressive? This seems to echo the same processes that separate art from craft - where the art form is the unique and singular object/experience and the crafted object acknowledging exquisite forms albeit in a celebration of reproduction and repetition. (and yes, I do realize that these lines have been transgressed time and time again). But - for the sake of argument - Lets compare code to the mechanical manufacture, say of a ceramic bowl. There are both hand thrown bowls (more akin to the coding process) and bowls that have been cast (perhaps like software applications like Director or shockwave). In either case, if we focus on the structure of the code, coding (or sculpting) process, either in its unique or manufactured form, we might acknowledge the bowl/interface for its beauty or function in a craft-like manner. However, when the code, coding (or sculpting) process becomes so ubiquitous that it becomes transparent and (Patrick’s) expressive value comes into the foreground (the clay, the process and round form melt away into celebration of blissful containment) then we might recognize the essentialist aspects of the uniqueness of the object/experience, which produces the art form (including aura.. etc..) Susan =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?" (Dick Cavett) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Susan Hazan - Curator of New Media Education Unit Head of Internet Office - The Israel Museum, Jerusalem http://www.imj.org.il Tel: 972 2 6708066 Fax: 972 2 6708077 Tel (direct): 972 2 5618224 http://www.imj.org.il/shazan =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-