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Hi Charlie

The key to my comment is "...in the absence of measures of the degree to
which change is retarded..."  It seems to me that one needs to know the
relative buffer capacities of trivariant or higher assemblages before one
can make an informative comment.  A simple statement that an assemblage
buffers some variable isn't helpful to me because it doesn't distinguish
that assemblage from any number of similar assemblages.

Regards

Howard


>Hi Howard,                                      9/25/01
>        When you stated "ANY high variance assemblage, --", how high
>is high? If the variance is only three, say for a continuous
>dehydration reaction, so that P,T, and the activity of H2O control
>the equilibrium, I'd say that it can be a quite informative buffer
>reaction regarding the behavior of H2O in a given area. I haven't
>thought much about the reaction that precipitated the present
>discussion, but I'd urge caution about being too restrictive about
>how a buffer is defined. Most of us are not dealing with experimental
>systems for which one can use rigorous fO2 buffers like QFM.
>                                Cheers,  Charlie
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>>I agree with Dugald, but not with Dave Waters and Bruce Yardley.  The
>>definition of buffer that Bruce implied and Dave offered is too loose to be
>>informative.  ANY high variance assemblage, for which a continuous reaction
>>can be written, can "retard changes in activity." How can that be
>>informative in the absence of measures of the degree to which change is
>>retarded?
>>
>>This discussion has been recurring for decades.  If we use the term
>>"buffer", clarity requires that we cite the phase rule degrees of freedom
>>attached to the equilibrium in question.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dugald Carmichael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  At 09:34 AM 24/09/2001 +0100, Bruce Yardley wrote:
>>>>  >...for almost any rock with this assemblage, biotite
>>>>  >and garnet will be major repositories of Fe2 and so this assemblage will
>>>>  >itself be the buffer for the oxygen fugacity. As a result it will
>>>>  >potentially be stable over a very large P-T range. ... So a useless
>>>>  >thermobarometer but a valuable fO2 buffer!
>>>>
>>>>  Agreed except for a semantical point. An fO2 buffer is able to hold
>>>>oxygen
>>>>  fugacity constant at specified P and T in respect to reversible loss or
>>>>  gain of oxygen. The assemblage Grt+Bt+Ms+Mt+Qtz does not meet this
>>>>  condition because its variance is too large. It will _define_ fO2 (by
>>>>means
>>>>  of the equilibrium among the endmembers alm, ann, mu, mt, qtz), but it is
>>>>  not able to buffer fO2 in the same sense as Ni+NiO or QFM buffer fO2.
>>>
>>>
>>>No, that definition of a buffer is too restrictive to be useful.
>>>
>>>Chemistry texts describe buffers as able to resist or retard changes in
>>>activity, holding variables such as pH in a narrow range. The term
>>>shouldn't be restricted to ideal systems with pure end member phase
>>>compositions - the only ones that can _fix_ activity or fugacity at
>>>specified P and T. The assemblage Grt+Bt+Ms+Mt+Qtz will buffer fO2
>>>effectively, i.e. retard changes and hold it in a narrow range of
>>>values, because of the preponderant mass of condensed phases compared to
>>>the amount of O2 (or H2) that can normally be added or removed in a
>>>volatile phase. Except at extremely high fluid:rock ratio, only trivial
>>>changes in the annite and almandine contents of biotite and garnet would
>>>be needed to restore equilibrium, at an imperceptibly changed fO2.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Dave
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