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X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:06:08 -0800 From: kwildgen <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: "kwildgen" <@smtp.gateway.net> (Unverified) X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; html=0; linewidth=0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A65AFE53CA41283A1C8E5E7E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A65AFE53CA41283A1C8E5E7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------A65AFE53CA41283A1C8E5E7E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from localhost (localhost) by smtp6.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id TAA22943; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:12:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="TAA22943.953424763/smtp6.gateway.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a MIME-encapsulated message --TAA22943.953424763/smtp6.gateway.net The original message was received at Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:06:52 -0500 (EST) from 1Cust180.tnt1.covington.la.da.uu.net [63.11.0.180] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <[log in to unmask]> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to nail.mailbase.ac.uk.: >>> RCPT To:<[log in to unmask]> <<< 550 <[log in to unmask]>... We do not relay 550 <[log in to unmask]>... User unknown --TAA22943.953424763/smtp6.gateway.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp6.gateway.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; 1Cust180.tnt1.covington.la.da.uu.net Arrival-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:06:52 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [log in to unmask] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; nail.mailbase.ac.uk Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <[log in to unmask]>... We do not relay Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:12:43 -0500 (EST) --TAA22943.953424763/smtp6.gateway.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gateway.net (1Cust180.tnt1.covington.la.da.uu.net [63.11.0.180]) by smtp6.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22933 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:06:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:07:55 -0800 From: kwildgen <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: "kwildgen" <@smtp.gateway.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Vesperbilden References: <[log in to unmask]> <000601bf9079$b0ded7a0$64f59e3e@pii> <[log in to unmask]> <003b01bf90c1$67e964a0$7a4e8cd4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a guess! When I carried my daughter as a baby/youngster, it was in my left arm because I was right-handed and I needed my right hand for other things, e.g. handing my daughter something, wiping spit-up, giving a bottle, etc. Artists may have just copied mothers with children as they saw them, assuming right-handedness was as common then as now. As for the other image, is it not assumed that we "read" images left to right just as we read? And beginning with a pair of feet rather than with a face would be esthetically displeasing. As I said, this is a guess and totally off the top of my head. I may have to delve into "Never mind." Kathryn John Hall wrote: > > At the end of the month I am going to Leuven (Louvain) to see the 14thc > Vesperbild orginally, I believe, from the Vleminckx Chapel but now in the > Municipal Museum. > What is unique, as far as I know, about the group is that the BVM is nursing > the body of Christ on her left side in marked contrast to other Pietās of > the period or subsequently, at least until Cindy Sherman's 1990 photo. > Although Campin, Riemenchneider and Stoss, among others, portrayed the BVM > carrying an infant Christ on her left arm I can find no Schmerzmutter doing > a similar thing. > Do any of the learned members of this list know of any other "left-handed" > BVMs and do you have any idea why the supporting left arm is common for a > Virgin and Child but not for a Vesperbild? > > John Hall > [log in to unmask] --TAA22943.953424763/smtp6.gateway.net-- --------------A65AFE53CA41283A1C8E5E7E--