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Re: Result New Poll: Most important issues confronting the PHD-Design list currently

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Dave Gray <[log in to unmask]>

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PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:52:23 -0500

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Thank you Colleen,

I support the goal of listening and supporting inclusion for all, and I
share your perception that this is what most list members want.

In support of that goal I am asking questions and I am trying to listen
carefully to the answers. I have no intention of starting an argument. One
of the ways I’ve learned to listen is to reflect back what I heard to make
sure I got it right before responding.

If it feels to you like I’m arguing, then I’m doing something wrong, and
would appreciate your feedback, publicly or privately, about how I could
participate in a way that feels less argumentative.

Dave


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:30 Colleen Seifert <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> My sense is that people are asking list members to listen to each other and
> support inclusion of all.
> Let's not argue with that request, but honor it.
> c
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Dave Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Teena,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.
> >
> > Is this a fair summary of your statement?
> >
> > 1. Issues raised on the PhD design list, is, for you, are a proxy for the
> > state of the world, work, the politics of survival and existence.
> > 2. You remain because leaving would be pretending everything is okay when
> > it’s not. Starting another list would be ignoring real problems.
> > 3. You provide value, helping to solve these problems, by raising keeping
> > the bastards honest.
> > 4. You keep yourself honest by supporting your ideas with relevant
> theory.
> > 5. The bastards are white, middle class, securely able-bodied men,
> securely
> > positioned in esteemed careers in the Global North, who fail to
> understand
> > that everyone is not like them.
> > 6. You indicate that you believe I belong to category 5.
> >
> > Did I understand you correctly?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 17:41 Teena Clerke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > > My questions for those who are dissatisfied is “why not start your
> own
> > > > list?”
> > >
> > > The poll asked voters to rank what they consider to be the most
> important
> > > issues confronting the PHD-Design list currently, not who is
> dissatisfied
> > > with the list. These issues may be, for the people who voted,
> reflecting
> > > broader issues confronting where they currently work, the state of
> > politics
> > > in the world, etc. I know it is the case for me. The suggestion to
> start
> > > another list would simply brush the issues under the carpet, so to
> speak.
> > >
> > > The reason I persevere, and occasionally post when I can’t continue to
> > say
> > > nothing is, as the original Australian Democrats party once said, ‘to
> > keep
> > > the bastards honest’. Terry Threadgold also once said, or along these
> > lines
> > > (see Kate Bower’s PhD thesis 2010, UTS) the questions keep needing to
> be
> > > raised.
> > >
> > > Being able to raise such questions and voice my views, supported by
> > > reference to relevant theorists, is doing just that – reminding list
> > > members that we are not all white, middle class, able-bodied, securely
> > > positioned in powerful roles in esteemed institutions in the Global
> > North,
> > > or male.
> > >
> > > With respect, your suggestion is one such opportunity.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > > teena
> > >
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> > Dave Gray
> > xplaner.com
> >
> > phone +1.415.683.6802 | twitter @davegray
> >
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> --
> Colleen M. Seifert
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> Dept. of Psychology
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