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Re: UK federation VO

From:

Andrew Anderson <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion list for Shibboleth developments <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:35:21 +0100

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If a site had their own Shib IdP then they would generally use that to access Shibboleth targets and use the gateway functions of OpenAthens to access Athens targets - the new function under housekeeping wouldn't be used unless the site used both a Shib IdP and Athens accounts side by side. In such a case they would simply need two entityIDs with names different enough to direct their users appropriately.

Andy

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AJ Anderson
Eduserv

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tel: +44 (0)1225 474303
fax: +44 (0)1225 474301

http://www.eduserv.org.uk



-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Margaret Stone
Sent: 03 June 2008 09:25
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: LA (Re: LA (Re: UK federation VO))

Hi Andy

A slightly delayed follow-up question to this information: you say
"OpenAthens sites *can* appear as themselves".  What happens if an
OpenAthens site has their own Shibboleth IdP - will that site's users be
able to select "Eduserv Athens" (or similar) from WAYF to access resources?
 Or will it be disabled for that site, if they're not using the OpenAthens IdP?

I'm asking because I'm hoping it's the latter, especially for services like
Digimap where there can be personalisation tied to an account and we
wouldn't want users to have a choice of IdPs after 31 July, leading to
different accounts - we'd want them only to be able to use our IdP.

Thanks in advance for clarification,

Margaret Stone
UCL

On Wed, 21 May 2008 09:06:59 +0100, Andrew Anderson
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>With the updates we released yesterday, all OpenAthens sites can appear
>as themselves in WAYF lists.
>
>Andy
>
>--
>AJ Anderson
>Eduserv
>
>[log in to unmask]
>
>tel: +44 (0)1225 474303
>fax: +44 (0)1225 474301
>
>http://www.eduserv.org.uk
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane CHARLTON
>Sent: 20 May 2008 18:43
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: LA (Re: UK federation VO)
>
>They login either using an Athens login or through the UK federation by
>selecting "Eduserv Athens" from the UK federation WAYF.
>Jane
> 
>------------------------------------
>
>Jane Charlton
>Access Management Outreach Co-ordinator, JISC
><mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
>* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
>(  +44 (0)20 3006 6041
>M: +44 (0)776 017 3223
>F:  +44 (0)117 954 5078
>: www.jisc.ac.uk
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments on behalf of Thierry
>Delaitre
>Sent: Tue 20/05/2008 18:38
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UK federation VO
>
>
>
>Hi Jane,
>
>Thanks. Those which are using 3rd party providers such as the Eduserv
>Athens
>do not appear in the uk federation WAYF list. How do they login when
>they
>need to access a Shib protected service ?
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Thierry.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane CHARLTON
>Sent: 20 May 2008 13:31
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UK federation VO
>
>Hi Thierry
>Yes, it might be that they have outsourced their IdP to a third party
>provider eg. Eduserv Athens, have decided to outsource their IdP but
>haven't
>yet chosen one or are still in the process of sorting out their LDAP
>directory and implementing their IdP. To see which institutions have
>chosen
>Eduserv Athens as their IdP you can look in the metadata file available
>on
>the UK federation website
>http://metadata.ukfederation.org.uk/ukfederation-metadata.xml (search
>for
>"Athens/Shibboleth gateway").
>Message to everyone on the list:
>All UK further and higher education institutions (except those few that
>have
>decided to only use IP access) must join the UK federation by 31st July
>whether they are using an outsourced IdP or have implemented their own
>IdP
>otherwise their users will lose access to resources.  It is therefore
>very
>important for UK institutions to join the UK federation and either
>choose an
>outsourced IdP or have implemented their own IdP by 31st July (or
>sooner).
>Kind regards,
>Jane
>
>  ------------------------------------
>
>Jane Charlton
>Access Management Outreach Co-ordinator, JISC
><mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
>* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>(  +44 (0)20 3006 6041
>M: +44 (0)776 017 3223
>F:  +44 (0)117 954 5078
>: www.jisc.ac.uk
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments on behalf of Thierry
>Delaitre
>Sent: Tue 20/05/2008 12:52
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UK federation VO
>
>
>
>>The fallback position (which we will be using ourselves if a more
>general
>>approach is not available in time) is to select from the federation
>>metadata the scopes of all IdP organisations of interest.  The metadata
>>contains both the verified name of the organisation (which can be
>>compared with the lists Sean Dunne mentioned) and the scope.
>
>I've implemented and automated the above using some some XSLT, MySQL and
>PHP. This then creates a shibboleth ACL in xml format which I can use to
>authorise HE & HE only.
>
>Looking at the stats, there are 170 HE institutions in the JISC banding
>and
>only 61 have an IDP. There are 465 FE institutions in the JISC banding
>and
>only 18 have an IDP. Many of those which do not have an IDP seem to be
>members of the UK federation. Is there any reason why they are not
>installing an IDP ?
>
>>The SP then has to authorise based on eduPersonScopedAffiliation having
>one
>of
>>the selected scopes (and member, staff, student etc. as required).
>
>Thierry.
>
>Systems and Service Manager
>School of Informatics
>University of Westminster.
>
>
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Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by a senior manager of 
Eduserv, this communication is to be treated as confidential and the 
information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose
for which it has been sent.
If you have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient
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No employee or agent is authorised to enter into any binding agreement
or contract on behalf of Eduserv or Eduserv Technologies Ltd., unless
that agreement is subsequently confirmed by the conclusion of a written
contract or the issue of a purchase order.
Eduserv (Limited by Guarantee) – company number 3763109 - and 
Eduserv Technologies Ltd – company number – 4256630 - are both 
companies incorporated in England and Wales and have their registered 
offices at Queen Anne House, 11 Charlotte Street, Bath, BA1 2NE.

>========================================================================



Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by a senior manager of 
Eduserv, this communication is to be treated as confidential and the 
information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose
for which it has been sent.
If you have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient
of this communication, please contact the sender immediately.
No employee or agent is authorised to enter into any binding agreement
or contract on behalf of Eduserv or Eduserv Technologies Ltd., unless
that agreement is subsequently confirmed by the conclusion of a written
contract or the issue of a purchase order.
Eduserv (Limited by Guarantee) – company number 3763109 - and 
Eduserv Technologies Ltd – company number – 4256630 - are both 
companies incorporated in England and Wales and have their registered 
offices at Queen Anne House, 11 Charlotte Street, Bath, BA1 2NE.

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