Two colleagues replied saying that ict and biz-econ were completely separate
and they had no input.
The other replies below indicate that biz-econ teachers are significantly
involved. I am not surprised. I am tempted to open a thread on how do we
teach spreadsheets, but it is probably too off task for the list :-)
I open with Kevin Mattinson summary which is probably nearest the mark :"
Where IT lies within schools often seems to relate to where the
initial interest lay some time ago - maths, Science or Bus Ed."
Digest of replies:
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Richard
In terms of our experience with under and postgraduate trainee
teachers, the experience is variable. Many of the students, in effect
teach IT - the concession to Business and Economics is the context -
although there are examples where it is not even as reassuring as
this - at its worst, non contextualised skills teaching.
Some students do get the opportunity to utilise ICT to enhance
teaching and learning in Business and Economics.
Where IT lies within schools often seems to relate to where the
initial interest lay some time ago - maths, Science or Bus Ed.
Thanks.
Kevin Mattinson,
PGCE Secondary Course Leader,
Senior Lecturer in Economics and Business Education,
Crewe School of Education Recruitment Co-ordinator
Crewe School of Education, The Manchester Metropolitan University,
Crewe+Alsager Faculty, Crewe Green Road, Crewe, CW1 5DU
Tel: 0161 247 5109
Fax: 0161 247 6370
EMail: [log in to unmask]
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Hi Richard,
Based on the number of case studies and the questionnaire
survey that I did for my research (abt 18 schs and 7 FE
colleges), the answer is 'no'. However, there are a few
schs (abt 4-5) which have their Econs and Business Studies
dept combined with the IT dept ... and these combined depts
are all under the head of IT.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Chirp [log in to unmask]
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There are a number of us Business Studies and Economics teachers at Coundon
Court School Coventry that also teach ICT BUT it is such a large part of the
curriculum, especially after we acquired Technology College status that
there are 4 full time ICT teachers in addition.
The role of HOD was split virtually from the beginning of ICT in our school,
the role naturally been given initially to a Geography teacher.
The Systems Manager is naturally the former Head of the Youth Club/Community
Education who has had to given this up to be full time on the ICT side.
Fortunately he has become very keen on networking and knows a fair bit about
it by now.
Yet again "naturally" the school's web site is being developed by the
ex-head of Technology, a Biologist! His current efforts on our Intranet are
not brilliant and I hope the course he went on last Friday was worth it! He
has even mucked up the link to the Wood Green Site and has not put it right
despite been told so three weeks ago!
The last "naturally" is that a Senior Teacher, another Scientist, has been
put in charge of the computerised data regarding the statistics we have
regarding pupil progress and prediction of grades/added value etc. He knows
very little about ICT and does not realise that having a mass of files in a
directory with strange, coded, filenames means that people will not look at
it. He has worked very hard, but will have little effect at the moment
because of the way that he has organised things out of ignorance.
I summary. The ICT Department is effectively a department on its own.
However, why does the Head not consult it on important matters and listen to
what is being said? Having one of the ICT Department working along with the
non-specialist would have saved a lot of time overall.
Mike Chester [log in to unmask]
Richard
My own impression of this is as follows. In Staffordshire in the late
1980's early 1990s Economics and Business teachers were among
the first to make significant use of ICT, and several local EBEA
members (perhaps 3 or 4) also became ICT coordinators. Today
however, one or two of the original are still there doing ICT, but little
or no Econ/Bus.
On the other hand several Business teachers are delivering a
significant part of the ICT National Curriculum on a cross
department basis. This works in schools that have gone for
mapping ICT delivery across. I do, however, detect a move away
from this, and back towards specialist ICT delivery.
Experience differs greatly from school to school, as it will for
Authority to Authority. Hope this is useful.
Best wishes
Steve Hurd [log in to unmask]
As per your request - no direct input into the management of ICT within
school other than as a member of school's working group on ICT across the
curriculum. Main input comes in the form of Key Skills for GNVQ courses in
Business, Leisure and Tourism and IT which are outside the IT area. These
are mainly achieved through natural performance although some material has
to
be produced to satisfy requirements. This therefore requires IT knowledge
so
that the appropriate skills can be taught and that the appropriate
achievements can be referenced.
Many thanks
Daren Fairhurst [log in to unmask]
Pensby High School for Girls
Richard
I have never actually been reponsible for ICT as part of my Head of Business
Education role, but my present school cerrtainly sees ICT as something I
should know about. However, undergraduate Initial Teacher Training
programmes (rather than PGCE) seem to be BA (QTS) in Business Education and
IT. That is certainly the casse in Brighton, and Greenwich are thinking
about the possibility.
Adrian [log in to unmask]
As head of BS I have introduced short course IT (2 years ago) which I have
now replaced with EdExcel's IS course for KS4 which I teach as a double
option with the BS GCSE. They therefore do 2 GCSEs in the time they get for
ONE
Head of IT is about to introduce AS level IT but does not teach IT to KS4
except for a PSE module
Claire Emery [log in to unmask]
Richard,
Yes indeed - as a teacher of A Level Business (as well as GNVQ)...Yrs
7,8,9 and 11...and GNVQ IT next year!!!
Simon Uttley [log in to unmask]
I have responsibility for key stage 4 and 5 ICT at my school. I am willing
to pass on information to others on ICT teaching especially if it is related
to the QCA Key Skills qualifications which are coming into the 'A' level
arena.
[log in to unmask]
re your recent e-mail to bus-econ educators concerning
ICT responsibility.
Since September 1999 I have had the role of curriculum
ICT co-ordinator added to my responsibilities and the
school's ICT curriculum brought under the aegis of my
department. My job-title is therefore Head of
Business, ICT and Economics. There was some internal
restructuring - viz I have within the Dept teachers
i/c of Business and Economics subjects.
Let me know if you would like to know more
Colin Harber Stuart [log in to unmask]
Dame Alice Owen's School
Potters Bar
I have no responsiblity for IT
Steve Morling
Norwich High School
No we are very separate departments.
Sue Hall
Richard
Both members of the Economics/BS department are also responsible for a
significant proportion of the ICT teaching at our school although neither is
in charge of ICT.
Ged Forster [log in to unmask]
QEGS
Horncastle
Lincs
Richard,
My official title is "Teacher in Charge of Business Studies and second in
Information and Communication Technology Department". The two departments
are separate but I have responsibility in both! For example I'm organising
the basic skills training in ICT prior to teachers being ready for NOF
funded courses!
If you look at the adverts in the TES then you can see that there is an
increasing tendency not only for ICT and Bus St to separate but also ICT
Co-ordinator is now seen by some schools as a Senior Management Team role
.... and so it should be considering all the hassle. I'm more than qualified
for the job of ICT co-ordinator - but value my sanity too much to take it on
when the present co-ordinator retires!
Julie Parton [log in to unmask]
Norton Canes High School
Cannock, Staffs.
Richard Young
31 Newland Mill
Witney OX8 6HH
email [log in to unmask]
Wood Green School Witney
www.woodgreen.oxon.sch.uk
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