This is just to add my agreement of the importance of structured
access to personal names and the use of "given name" and "family
name," which is probably clearer than "forename" and "surname" as is
sometimes used on passport and customs forms and certainly in lieu of
"first name" and "last name," to accommodate international practices.
- Barbara Tillett
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>>> "Berthold Weiss" <[log in to unmask]> 12/10 7:10 AM >>>
We are strongly support the necessity of a structured form of
personal names. Astrid Schoger and Simon Cox are absolutely right.
Berthold Weiss and Christel Hengel
> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 17:22:22 +0100
> Subject: Antw: Re: Qualifier Proposal - DC Agents - Update
WD
> From: "Astrid Schoger"
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> Reply-to: "Astrid Schoger"
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> Dear all,
> in my opinion it is good to have a reasonably normalised form of
personal names because
> - searching with this form increases the precision dramatically (
if search services provide
> normalised structure search or first in field position search.
> I strongly suggest this for big databases at least as an option in
the advanced search.
> - it is easy to sort on, index lists can be provided
> - it is no problem to impart this form to metadata creators and to
users of search services.
>
> I am for the usage of "Family name, Given name" for the reasons
Simon Cox mentioned.
>
> Best regards
> Astrid Schoger
>
>
>
> ->>> Simon Cox <[log in to unmask]> 12/08 4:06 >>>
> Regarding the "LNF" notation - this perpetuates the misapprehension
that
> "Last Name" == "Family Name". In many east asian languages, and
also Hungarian
> to name just one European notation "Family Name First" is the
*usual* form.
> In some other communities people often have only a single name
(Indonesian),
> and then there is the Spanish system of inheriting parent's names
according
> to some complex rules which I don't understand. And anyone who
follows cricket
> will be aware of how inconsistently first-name and last-name are
used as the
> abbreviations for various Indian and Pakistani players on the
scorecards.
>
> I understand that the intention of "LNF" is to provide a reasonably
normalised
> form which is also easy to sort on.
> But please please please can we be culturally neutral, and
semantically accurate,
> and drop this "Last Name, First Name" usage in favour of (at least)
"Family name,
> Given name" or maybe even "Sort name, other names".
>
> See also interesting discussion of names in various languages by
Andrew Waugh,
> on the DCMI website at
> http://purl.org/dc/documents/notes-waugh-19980203.htm
> --
> Best Simon
>
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