On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Colman O'Clabaigh wrote:
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:42:00 +0100
> From: Colman O'Clabaigh <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: Popes and croziers
>
> Dear List members,
>
> A friend of mine is working on a group of 12th century High crosses in
> North County Clare. He has asked me to put the following two queries to you
>
> 1. Were popes ever represented holding croziers? He is particularly
> interested in 12th century examples (or lack thereof)
You might try Gerhart Ladner's volumes on portraits of popes. Our library
has the Italian version:
I rittrati dei papi nell' antichita e nel medioevo, 3 vols. (Vatican City,
1941-1984). The German title is: Papstbildnisse des Altertums und des
Mittelalters.
Tom Izbicki
>
> 2 Current liturgical practise (at least in this monastery)says that the
> crook of the crozier should face outward as a sign of jurisdiction, when
> carried by the abbot and should face inwards when carried by anyone else
> (e.g. acolyte, M.C. etc.). We are solemnly assured by our Master of
> Ceremonies that this has been the practise of the church at all times,
> everywhere since the second Vespers of the Resurrection in Jerusalem in AD
> 33. Is this the case? Is anyone aware of medieval evidence for this or is
> it the figment of a modern liturgists overactive imagination?
>
I find "always/at all times" a problematic term for liturgical practices.
Records are spotty, & local practice can vary.
tmi
> Monastic readers of the list will particularly appreciate the fraught
> nuances implicated in the second query. As we say here, 'Liturgy: the last
> indoor blood sport.'
>
> Colman O Clabaigh, OSB
>
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