On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, M Hyde wrote:
> I would also be interested to learn how football encourages violence
> against women and children.
Maria will soon post the citations.
> I have no experience of American football
> but UK football is often characterised by feminist writers in a
> similar way
It is not just feminist writers who do this. I am a male pacifist who
was brought up in a very macho culture in Texas. Believe me. I have first
hand knowledge of how sports in general can cause violence against women,
children, elderly persons, and, yes, other men.
> Have any of these
> feminists who criticise 'macho' working class male culture ever been
> to a football match? I doubt it!
Although attending a football match is not necessary to support this
position, yes, many of them have.
> Let's be clear, maleviolence is a
> problem, but it has very little to do with football. If there is
> violence at football (a problem in the UK) or if some men who attend
> football are also violent outside of football, this is more likely to
> reflect broader social values and relations.
Now you are correct. We have a very macho culture in the Euro-American
society (as do many other societies). These facts are very relevant, by
the way, to a discussion of euthanasia on a disability research list
because the same objects of violence (such as people with disabilities)
are also objects of euthanasia.
> I have yet to see any of
> this' well documented' evidence of football being the cause.
You will.
David Pfeiffer
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