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Re: Latin Vulgate Bible

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I for one can't help you at all--but these are really good questions!
I think I have seen what you are referring to in the Northumbrian texts, 
and have been puzzled by it myself.  Hope your research leads to 
discoveries which I would be interested in reading about.

On second thought.  This manner of--as you say--closing with mnemonic 
formula is known from other literature.  Well something like it anyway. 
It appears, for example, that the writer of the Epistle to the Hebrews 
quotes a short portion of the Hebrew Bible and expects the whole text to 
be filled in--not my discovery, someone else's if you want a reference, 
I could find it.  This method also seems to be used in the Talmud and 
Medieval Jewish commentaries.  But I don't know of any study 
specifically focusing on this methodology.  Remember that in "those 
days" they couldn't say see chaper.. and verse...  So it would make 
sense to clue the reader to the text in some other manner.

Chuck Throck

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>On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Patrick J. Nugent wrote:
>  The modern critical edition is not the text medieval
>  writers had, and...this is complicated further by the fact that
>  often a writer relies on memory, and even if his or her memory is
>  faulty, the text they're working with is the one in their mind, not  
>  the one in the late-twentieth century edition.  It's complicated yet
>  further when they're working on or from Augustine or Tertullian or
>  Ambrose or some other late antique author  who themselves worked from
>  one of the Old Latin versions.  
> 
>	This prompts a spin-off query about scholarship on the use of
>biblical quotation by medieval authors. I've been studying the various
>means by which Northumbrian authors incorporate references to and
>quotations from scripture into their works (with particular reference 
to 
>the anonymous vitae of Cuthbert and Gregory the Great, and to 
Stephanus'
>Vita S. Wilfridi, all of which are early eighth-century texts. One 
thing
>that has intrigued me is the way in which the authors of these vitae
>often close brief, phrasal quotations of texts with what appear to be
>mnemonic formulae, such as 'et reliqua', 'et cetera' or 'ut dicit
>apostolus'. At the minute (although this is all rather preliminary and
>needs more work on individaul instances ) I'm taking these as kind of
>prompts to the audience or reader to supply from memory a supplementary
>expansion of the text which is given, and this raises a couple of
>obvious questions - I'm hoping that members of this list might be
>able to point me in the direction of useful scholarship...
>
>1. Northumbrian writers demonstrate familiarity not only with the 
Bible,
>but also with Jerome, Augustine, Gregory Isidore and a whole host of
>other Christian writers including Arator, Venantius Fortunatus, 
Paulinus
>of Nola, Sedulius...  I'm getting to grips with Gregory, but if anyone
>can tell me anything about the use of similar mnemonic formulae by any
>of these writers (e.g. particular texts that I should look at) it would
>probably save me from going up several blind alleys.
>
>2. Is there any existing scholarship on the use of mnemonic prompts of
>this kind by early medieval authors, particularly in hagiographical and
>historiographical texts, which I ought to look at? 
>
>3. I obviously need to take a good look at the form of the liturgy used  
>in eighth-century Northumbria - which is at present a mystery to me. 
>I've got access to a bibliography (RW Pfaff, Medieval Latin Liturgy: a
>select bibliography, 1982) but any recommendations of particularly
>useful treatments would be much appreciated.   	     
>
>
>	With many thanks in advance for your help,
>
>
>					Kate Rambridge
>					University of Bristol.
>
>


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