A reply to your system for counting tubs or sheep. It appears to be
based on old British numerals, probably pre-Roman and now partly preserved
in Welsh :
Sheep Counting Systems in Yorkshire
Several local variations exist, there is a never-ending exchange of
information in the pages of the Dalesman magazine. This information
covers the last 9 years or so.
Unprovenanced Dalesman Feb 1991, p.967
Yan, Tyan, Tethera, Methera, Pip, Cesar, Lesar, Cathra, Horner, Dick,
Yanadick, Tyanadick, Tetheradick, Metheradick, Bumpit, Yana Bumpit,
Tyana Bumpit, Tethera Bumpit, Methera Bumpit, Jiggit.
Lockington, YorksEast Riding, DM April 1991, p 87
Yan, Tan Ethera, Methera, Pimp, Sethera, Lethera, Hovera, Dovera,
Dick, Yanadick, Tanadick.
South Stainley, Nr Harrogate , DM Sep 1991, p 23.
Yah, Twang, Saizeray, Catha, Pimp, Cathacay, Cathacum, Catha-catha, ?,
Unprovenanced, DM June 1994, p82.
Yan, Tan Tethera, Methera, Pimp, Sethera, Lethera, Hovera, Dovera,
Dick, Yanadick, Tanadick, Tetheradick, Metheradick, Bumfit,
Yanabumfit, TanaBumfit, Tethrabumfit, Methrabumfit, Gogot.
Lower Nidderdale, DM Apr 98, p38.
Yah, Tiah, Tethera,Methera, Pip, Teezar, Leezer, Cattera, Horner,
Dick, Yah Dick, Tiah Dick, Methera Dick, Bumper, Yahde Bumper, Tiah de
Bumper, Tethera de Bumper, Methera de Bumper, Jigger.
Craven, Nr Skipton, DM Apr 98, p 38.
Arn, Tarn, Tethera, Fethera, Pubs, Aayther, Layather, Quoather, Dugs,
Arnadugs, Tarnadugs, Tetheradugs, Fetheradugs, Buon, Arnabuon,
Tarnabuon, Tetherabuon, Fetherabuon, Gun a Gun.
Welsh numerals, DM Jun 98, p82 (and help from some Welsh colleagues).
Un, Dau, Tri, Pedwar, Pump,Cwech, Saith, Wyth, Nau, Deg, Unarddeg,
Deuddeg, Triarddeg, Pedwar ar ddeg, Pymtheg, Ynar pymtheg, Deu ar
pymtheg, Deunaw (2 x 9), Pedwar ar Pymtheg, Ugain.
Welsh is nearer the Yorkshire phonetically and is pronounced as near
as I can show:
Een, Dye, Tree, Pedwar, Pimp, Qwech (Welsh soft CH), Sayth, Oyth, Now,
Deg, Pumptheyk (15) - the more difficult pronunciations have not
tranferred to the Yorksire system
If this is the range of variation over a small part of Yorkshire, I
guess this topic could jam the Mailbase for the next MDCII years if
the other Pennine variants get reported.
David Summers <[log in to unmask]> on 09/10/98 20:26:20
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Subject: A couple of questions
Not sure who might know the answers to these but
a) what is a "green goose" ? (and how do you cook it?)
b) when they used to count tubs in the Ashington area they used the same
numbering system as they used for counting sheep. It went something along
the lines of "Um, Tum, Tiggera". Does anyone know how it went all the way
up to 20 - which I gather was the limit.
David A. Summers
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