> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:52:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Brent E. Hardy" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Feast of All Souls and Cluny
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> Regarding the Feast of All Souls,
Glaber wrote this passage in the mid 1040s. A slightly later hand
made interpolations to the text which attached the story in altered
form to Marmoutiers. My own guess was that the base story was a
common one used by Glaber, Jotsald and the unknown interpolator to
exhalt their houses.
See my edition pp.lxxxvii and 234-5.
> There is also a very interesting version of the story found Raoul
> Glaber's _Historiarum libri quinque_. It compares in some respects to
> Jotsald's, but differs in others. In Glaber's case, we hear of the
> establishment of the special day by Odilo via the mouth of an African
> hermit, who extols the "widely-renowned" monastery of Cluny for its
> particular ability to liberate the souls of the dead through the prayer of
> its monks. (Sorry, I don't have the exact reference in Glaber, but if
> anyone wants it, I can retrieve it). It is hard to say whether Jotsald had
> any knowledge of Glaber's story or not, or visa-versa, although it is
> almost surely the case that Glaber's comes first.
> Brent H.
> Brent Hardy
> Department of History
> Emory University
> Atlanta, GA 30033
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> On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, GP. Ferzoco wrote:
> > Carolyn Muessig has on a couple of occasions re-posted to the list some
> > medieval-religion messages that have been particularly interesting,
> > informative and appropriate to discussions at hand. In this case, I wish
> > to follow this example by re-posting a message sent to the list last year at
> > this time.
> > Following the post I had made for the feasts of 2 November, Richard Landes
> > asked the list whether anyone had information at hand regarding the feast
> > of All Souls and Cluny. Isabelle Cochelin kindly provided the following
> > reply, which can be consulted at our Web archives; the precise location of
> > this message is:
> > http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion/1995-11/0017.html
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > On the subject of All Souls,
> > The information is given in a Vita of Odilo and in the customaries. For
> > instance, in the Vita by Pierre Damien (PL 144, col.936-37), you can read:
> > Tunc venerabilis pater Odilo per omnia monasteria sua constituit generale
> > decretum ut, sicut primo die mensis Novembris, juxta universalis Ecclesiae
> > regulam, omnium Sanctorum solemnitas agitur, ita sequenti die in psalmis et
> > eleemosynis et praecipue missarum solemniis omnium in Christo quiescentium
> > memoria celebretur.
> > The other Vita of the saint is by the monk Jotsaud (PL 142, col.897-14,
> > plus 2 chapters edited by E. SACKUR in Neues Archiv, 15 (1890): 118-21) I
> > re-read it quicklu and did not see any mention of the Feast. But I might
> > have gone through it too quickly. You have a chapter of the Liber tramitis
> > reserved to this subject: the fact that Odilo created the feast of all
> > souls: ed. P. Dinter, Liber tramitis aevi Odilonis Abbatis, (Corpus
> > consuetudinum monasticarum, X), 1980, 138,p.199. It is then mentioned again
> > in the customaries by Ulrich (PL 149, I,xlii,col.688-89 with a reference to
> > the Vita) and Bernard (ed. M. Herrgott, Cura disciplina monastica, 1726,
> > II,xxxii,p.353-54).
> > Doing my Ph-D on cluniac sources (customaries and Vitae) from 909 to 1156,
> > I have everything photocopied at home, as we say in french "under the
> > hand". So, if I can be of help to anyone...
> > Isabelle Cochelin [log in to unmask]
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > As it turns out, it has come to my attention that Isabelle recently
> > defended her doctoral dissertation at the Universite' de Montre'al with
> > great distinction, and is presently on a post-doctoral fellowship in
> > Paris. Fe'licitations, Isabelle!
> > George Ferzoco