My sense is that people are asking list members to listen to each other and
support inclusion of all.
Let's not argue with that request, but honor it.
c
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Dave Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Teena,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> Is this a fair summary of your statement?
>
> 1. Issues raised on the PhD design list, is, for you, are a proxy for the
> state of the world, work, the politics of survival and existence.
> 2. You remain because leaving would be pretending everything is okay when
> it’s not. Starting another list would be ignoring real problems.
> 3. You provide value, helping to solve these problems, by raising keeping
> the bastards honest.
> 4. You keep yourself honest by supporting your ideas with relevant theory.
> 5. The bastards are white, middle class, securely able-bodied men, securely
> positioned in esteemed careers in the Global North, who fail to understand
> that everyone is not like them.
> 6. You indicate that you believe I belong to category 5.
>
> Did I understand you correctly?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 17:41 Teena Clerke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > > My questions for those who are dissatisfied is “why not start your own
> > > list?”
> >
> > The poll asked voters to rank what they consider to be the most important
> > issues confronting the PHD-Design list currently, not who is dissatisfied
> > with the list. These issues may be, for the people who voted, reflecting
> > broader issues confronting where they currently work, the state of
> politics
> > in the world, etc. I know it is the case for me. The suggestion to start
> > another list would simply brush the issues under the carpet, so to speak.
> >
> > The reason I persevere, and occasionally post when I can’t continue to
> say
> > nothing is, as the original Australian Democrats party once said, ‘to
> keep
> > the bastards honest’. Terry Threadgold also once said, or along these
> lines
> > (see Kate Bower’s PhD thesis 2010, UTS) the questions keep needing to be
> > raised.
> >
> > Being able to raise such questions and voice my views, supported by
> > reference to relevant theorists, is doing just that – reminding list
> > members that we are not all white, middle class, able-bodied, securely
> > positioned in powerful roles in esteemed institutions in the Global
> North,
> > or male.
> >
> > With respect, your suggestion is one such opportunity.
> >
> > All the best,
> > teena
> >
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