JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for POETRYETC Archives


POETRYETC Archives

POETRYETC Archives


POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

POETRYETC Home

POETRYETC Home

POETRYETC  March 2018

POETRYETC March 2018

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: Snap falcon

From:

Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

Date:

Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:35:48 +0100

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (207 lines)

Jill


>Thanks, Lawrence. Glad the poem works as poem.

It does

>I know of the Baker book but I realise I've never read it. So I shall
find a copy.

There's been a new edition with his other book, the title of which I forget
and which I have not read.

I must do so. I haven't seen my 67 copy for years.

The peregrine is superbly written. It's in the diction, you'll find him
slowly becoming avian i.e. describing himself as the bird(s)... diction and
in his narrative of his behaviour, how he stands over – I was going to say
“stoops over”, but better not use that word, for clarity – evidence and
then look round in a raptorlike gesture. It's very subtly done.


>I didn't know about the pee thing.

I got very excited about that. You think: no wonder they're always
scurrying on the edge of the field, right down at the foot of the stone
hedges – I too am too suburban... If you can't stop peeing and your pee
fluoresces in the vision of something set on killing you, that can arrive
at 100 mph +, well it's enough to make you give up and hope to come back as
a sloth next time... Or an elephant. I just saw a photo of a domesticated
elephant tipping up a tourist vehicle looking for sandwiches.


“We” have peregrines on the top of a tower block in London Borough of
Sutton where I sleep and I have seen them, I think, from afar.... Imagine
railway workers looking up at the sky to see what I am looking at. The
station's near the building and provides a good viewing point. I was asked
once what it was I was watching. I told the man and he obviously thought
that I was cracked. But they are there.

Sparrowhawks in the back gardens. Far from unknown, especially in an
overgrown one like mine. One minute there's a bird being a bird and then a
fast blur and it's gone


Yesterday a friend emailed that one of the Tower of London ravens has died
and she might apply for the vacancy, but that's something else


>There is another more recent book, H for Hawk I think it is called and
maybe (though I might be wrong here) written by a British poet. Don't
know if it's worth a shot.
Yes and yes: British and worth a read. Helen MacDonald


best


Lawrence




On 28 March 2018 at 13:50, Jill Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Thanks, Lawrence. Glad the poem works as poem.
>
> I know of the Baker book but I realise I've never read it. So I shall
> find a copy.
>
> I didn't know about the pee thing.
>
> Of course, we're more likely to see raptors of various kinds in more
> open country but we do see them, though rarely, over our suburbs and
> the city. There is one rumoured to have had a nest in the roof parts
> of the large sandstone building next to my building on the uni campus
> on North Terrace, in other words right in the city of Adelaide.
> However, I've never seen it so don't know if it's an old story, urban
> legend or what.
>
> But very occasionally I will look up from my suburban backyard and
> see, usually, a peregrine falcon hovering or circling. And then the
> little birds simply go for it. We did get what we think was an
> Australian Hobby, another smallish raptor, sitting in our neighbour's
> large (and now deceased) gum tree during the day for a wee while. And
> did the bird neighbourhood erupt when that happened.
>
> When we go for long drives out bush or further we do a raptor count
> plus try to identify them - not always easy especially at a distance.
> We get a lot of wedgetail eagles in certain areas and their floating
> and hovering are certainly something to see. But the smaller birds
> such as the peregrine or another common raptor, the nankeen kestrel (I
> think it has another name these days) are so very very quick when they
> dive for prey.
>
> There is another more recent book, H for Hawk I think it is called and
> maybe (though I might be wrong here) written by a British poet. Don't
> know if it's worth a shot.
>
> J
>
>
> ________________________
> Jill Jones
> www.jilljones.com.au
>
> Latest book: Brink, Five Islands Press
> http://fiveislandspress.com/catalogue/brink-jill-jones
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Wed, 28 Mar 2018 13:13:19 +0100
> Subject:Re: Snap falcon
>
>  I like this a lot, both as a poem judged as a poem and for the
> subject
>  I read j a baker, the peregrine, in the 60s when it came out
>  and it changed me
>  still trying to work out how
>
>  it's there in the sky of my brain
>
>  as to patience and also spying, it seems that they can see pee as a
> lit up
>  line
>  I don't know - maybe like the trail of a high aeroplane or a meteor
>  so you watch the line advance, work out where the line-maker will be
>  vulnerable
>
>  perhaps rodents know this
>  perhaps that's why they are always peeing
>
>  and, what was I going to say? yes
>  there's a kestrel hangs over a downland I am fond of
>  it's nearly always there, as would I be, if I could... perhaps it's
> not the
>  same kestrel, as the robin that sits on my old plum tree is hardly
> ever the
>  same robin
>  well, anyway, the kestrel seems quite content to spend its days in
> the sky
>  compensating for and using air currents
>
>  so, er, yes, thank you
>
>  and the baker is recommended; quite extraordinary writing; that's an
> Essex
>  version of peregrine
>
>  L
>
>  On 28 March 2018 at 04:37, Jill Jones  wrote:
>
>  >
>  >
>  > WHAT I DON’T KNOW ABOUT PEREGRINE FALCONS
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I’m not sure I have that patience of circling
>  >
>  > or the floating intensity to spy a rodent among weeds
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > and I have no idea what magnifies or frames
>  >
>  > an avian horizon or how air lifts and drags
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > that grip on flight or how inexplicably --
>  >
>  > not unlike the way a gush of sunlight flames
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > or how quicksilver instinct leaps -- as the darting
>  >
>  > wagtail or noisy miner erupts and boldly chases you
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > yes, you mighty air creature, what gives
>  >
>  > They have only small flittery wings, beating
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > and chiacking, surely that’s not the same
>  >
>  > as peril, loss, as coming to an end, that especially
>  >
>  > ________________________
>  > Jill Jones
>  > www.jilljones.com.au
>  >
>  > Latest book: Brink, Five Islands Press
>  > http://fiveislandspress.com/catalogue/brink-jill-jones
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager