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Re: UK should set date for everyone to speak English, says Casey

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Charlotte Harford <[log in to unmask]>

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Charlotte Harford <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:07:31 +0000

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Hi Mike (and others)

I've just been (quickly) through the Green Paper.  Some of it seems daft and much of it preposterously vague.  But it is, after all, a consultation document, and we are being asked for our views.  I hope enough people in the ESOL field will be able to make the time to read the document and feed in views and concrete suggestions from the chalk face before the deadline (early June).  It looks as though there could be a willingness on the part of the government to devote at least some extra funds for effective ESOL provision and related activities, and it looks as though there may be some open doors we could be knocking at.

Two particular bugbears of mine are the standard of English being expected of people wanting to get a British driving licence (the complexity of the language in the theory driving test), and the requirement that qualified medical people who are not native speakers of English should take the academic IELTS test and obtain scores of which not many native speakers would be capable before being able to work for the NHS.  I thought I might mention these in feedback.

Obviously most of the Green Paper applies only to England.  Do you know if there will be a similar document for Wales?

Charlotte
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On Wed, 14/3/18, Mike Chick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: UK should set date for everyone to speak English, says Casey
 To: [log in to unmask]
 Date: Wednesday, 14 March, 2018, 17:52
 
 
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 Absolutely! Many
 thanks for taking the time to write up these thoughts - I
 am sure they articulate what many practitioners see and
 feel. While any announcement of an increase in ESOL /
 community cohesion funding is welcome,
  it is our duty, as the folk at the chalk face, to think
 critically about such strategies.
 
 
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: ESOL-Research discussion forum
 and message board [[log in to unmask]] on behalf
 of James Simpson [[log in to unmask]]
 
 Sent: 14 March 2018 17:06
 
 To: [log in to unmask]
 
 Subject: Re: UK should set date for everyone to speak
 English, says Casey
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hello
 all
 So a busy
 week for ESOL, with some off-the-cuff comments from Louise
 Casey, followed by the release of an ‘integrated
 communities’ strategy by the MHCLG where English is very
 prominent.
 Casey:
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43370514
 
 Strategy:
 
 https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/integrated-communities-strategy-green-paper
 
 Louise
 Casey’s suggestion that migrants should be compelled to
 learn English is one of many such sentiments expressed by
 senior politicians of all stripes in recent years (Cryer,
  Hodge, Blunkett, Blair, Cameron, Farage, Pickles, Umunna,
 Johnson ...). A stuck record, really. The idea that everyone
 should be made to speak the language by a certain date is a
 new one though, and at first sight it looks as if Louise
 hasn’t thought this
  one through properly. It seems to be a bit of a non-starter
 on possibility as well as feasibility grounds. That is,
 it’s not possible to say at what point someone can
 ‘speak a language’, as language learning is a dynamic
 and continuous process with no end
  state. Nor is it really feasible to test and identify those
 who have not learned to speak the language by a particular
 date, and then – what? – deport them all? In some ways,
 however, both the obligation to learn English (to a
 particular ‘level’) and punitive
  measures for those who don’t or can’t do so already
 exist, in current immigration law. There is already an
 implicit obligation to learn English for settlement through
 the Life in the UK naturalisation and citizenship test which
 can only be taken in English
  (or Welsh or Scots Gaelic on request). And since 2013 there
 is an explicit and arbitrary requirement: people applying
 for settlement have to pass an English language examination
 at level B1 on the CEFR in addition to the Life in the UK
 test. Not to mention
  the English language requirement for spouse or partner
 visas even prior to entry into the UK. So yes, Louise Casey
 was talking nonsense, but some of that nonsense is already
 in legislation.
 
 What’s
 really unhelpful about Louise Casey’s comments though is -
 first - the element of compulsion, of obligation, and -
 second - the very blinkered monolingualism inherent in
  what she says. New arrivals want to learn English, and
 indeed gaining access to the dominant language of the new
 country is a human right. But it’s a multilingual world we
 live in, a world where societal multilingualism is a huge
 resource, and policy needs
  to get to grips with this, rather than deny it through
 acknowledging only one language as the language that
 matters. As the Council of Europe’s Linguistic Integration
 of Adult Migrants (LIAM) project puts it, ‘A plurilingual
 and intercultural approach to the
  teaching of the language of the host society ensures that
 languages become instruments of inclusion that unite rather
 than segregate people’ (see
 http://www.coe.int/en/web/lang-migrants/guiding-principles).
  Political discourse in the UK needs to shift fundamentally
 to embrace this. Rather than demonising new arrivals for
 their inability to speak English, why not recognise that
 they want to do so? Why not see that migrants are quite
 capable of understanding the
  importance and relevance of English, in relation to their
 other languages, for daily life, work and so on.
 
 If I had my
 way, whenever a politician decided to say something about
 the need for migrants to learn English they should (1) be
 obliged to frame their statement around the
 right of new arrivals to gain access to the dominant
 language of society, rather than the obligation that they
 have to do so; (2) be made to add to their statement the
 clause ‘as part of a multilingual repertoire’;
 and (3) accompany it with commitment
  to strive towards the provision of free and
 freely-available, high-quality English classes to all who
 want them, taught by trained – and paid – teachers. I
 haven’t waded my way through the new MHCLG strategy
 document yet, but when I do I’ll be looking out
  for at least a hint of these. 
 All the
 best
 James
  
  
 
 
 From: ESOL-Research discussion forum
 and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
 On Behalf Of Frank.Monaghan
 
 Sent: 14 March 2018 16:39
 
 To: [log in to unmask]
 
 Subject: Re: UK should set date for everyone to speak
 English, says Casey
 
 
  
 Well it precludes the idea
 of us letting anyone in the country who fails the English
 Language test all border guards will have to carry with
 them. So bad luck if you’re a refugee.
  
 It’s presumably illegal
 under international law on that ground alone, isn’t it? Or
 maybe Brexit means we won’t be bothering with any of that
 nonsense in future.
  
 I have a lot of time for
 Louise Casey but on this issue of the relationship between
 language and integration she does talk some nonsense.
  
 Frank
  
 
 From: 
 "[log in to unmask]"
 <[log in to unmask]>
 on behalf of Di
  Leedham <[log in to unmask]>
 
 Reply-To: Di Leedham <[log in to unmask]>
 
 Date: Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 09:23
 
 To: "[log in to unmask]"
 <[log in to unmask]>
 
 Subject: Re: UK should set date for everyone to speak
 English, says Casey
 
 
  
 
 As the old joke goes
 …  that’s half the monolingual British population in
 trouble then.
 
  
 Dangerous piffle, which
 reinforces the refusal of government to make the most of
 Britain’s multilingual affordances while bemoaning our
 problems with MFL.
 
  
 It never ends
  
 Di 
  
 
 
 From:
 ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board
 <[log in to unmask]>
 On Behalf Of Laila El-Metoui
 
 Sent: 13 March 2018 04:57
 
 To: [log in to unmask]
 
 Subject: UK should set date for everyone to speak
 English, says Casey
 
 
  
 Not sure I would agree or
 that it’s actually possible!  
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43370514
 
 
  
 
 Laila
 El-Metoui  
 LGBT
 Education Consultant & Teacher
 Educator 
 https://lelmeducation.wordpress.com
 Member of
 Action for ESOL http://actionforesol.org/
 and NATECLA London https://nateclaldn.wordpress.com
 Supporter
 The Ruth Hayman Trust http://www.ruthhaymantrust.org.uk
 Sent from
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