For whatever it's worth, I agree strenuously with comments about
internship.
The subject line comes from what I forwarded from a colleague and I didn't
change it. I will let him know your thoughts.
But just to be clear, in sending it along to this list, I had in mind
people that might take this as their service notch as part of their job
requirements in a faculty position, not for students. For the record, I
also disagree with unpaid internships. Thanks.
*– J.A.*
*javier.faculty.ucdavis.edu
<http://javier.faculty.ucdavis.edu/> • http://crtmil.ucdavis.edu/
<http://crtmil.ucdavis.edu/>*
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Richard Herriott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I can only agree. Internships should be paid at least the minimum wage.
> As it is, they amount to free labour and
> a chance for the wealthy or desperate to make career contacts.
> ________________________________
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Don Norman <
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> Sent: 08 November 2017 22:32:04
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: possible opportunity for a design student?
>
> I make a stronger argument:
>
> Design has an ethical obligation to behave with moral integrity.
>
> I can understand if a group needs assistance, but has little or no money.
> Then it should be honest. It should seek *unpaid volunteers* -- it should
> not call it an internship.
>
> However, this particular "opportunity" was even worse.
>
> It listed a set of important skills the intern must have to do the job of
> running the journal -- none of which would be paid for.
>
> However, if the person would design the cover, of course they would be
> paid! Why are editorial skills of less value than design skills?
> (Interestingly, designers usually have to make the opposite argument.)
>
> The Managing Editor is responsible for finalizing the journal for
> > publication and should be someone with experience at text formatting,
> > desktop publishing, and copyediting. S/he will work collaboratively with
> > the journal Editors and the Senior Editor in a professional and timely
> > manner. The Managing Editor will also assist in copyediting the final
> > proofs for the journal before it is finalized and sent to press.
> > This internship position is unpaid; however, if the Managing Editor is
> also
> > able to design the journal's cover image s/he will receive compensation
> for
> > that design.
>
>
> Shame on Michael Subialka. Shame on the Pirandello Society of America
>
> Don Norman
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:00 PM, liliana rodriguez <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I agreed with this comment!
> >
> > Dr Liliana RodriguezPhD @ Loughborough University http://
> > lilianarodriguez.co.ukhttp://lboro.academia.edu/LilianaRodriguez
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 19:56:37 GMT, Guy Keulemans <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > I’m going to respectfully suggest this list shouldn’t be used to promote
> > unpaid/unwaged labour.
> >
> > Considering the kind of skills, experience and even title – “Managing
> > Editor” – expected, this job seems far from the kind of job that could
> > reasonably called an internship. If it was my students applying, I would
> > expect them to be paid.
> >
> > --
> Don Norman
> Prof. and Director, DesignLab, UC San Diego
> Design Lab Faculty Recruiting: http://designlab.ucsd.edu/join-us/faculty/
>
>
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